Might as well go for the #1 pick at this point

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Yeah but they had Jordan who would break peoples ankles or punish a smaller player and could easily get into the paint.

[John B]

Yeah but they had Jordan who would break peoples ankles or punish a smaller player and could easily get into the paint.

Likewise Kobe who mimicked Jordan. Phil Jackson . The guy was the Forrest Gump of coaches

[Dejounte]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG

[exstatic]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG

Traffic is about the only place he can’t dribble. He’s a good passer to the perimeter, and although he commits few turnovers, I’d say most of them are dribbling in traffic, or forcing a pass in traffic.

You can train a SG to run a basic pick and roll, and make some basic reads, but that doesn’t make them a PG. This has been spotlighted by the fact that an 18 YO kid came into camp this year and displayed real court vision this year. He just makes passes that DJ would never even see as open, and he’ll take the ball out of his hands in a year or maybe two.

[talkspurs]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG

You have to forgive some of these people. They hate DJ so much they will never be able to see what he has become. He will hopefully be our PG for many years.

[exstatic]

You have to forgive some of these people. They hate DJ so much they will never be able to see what he has become. He will hopefully be our PG for many years.

The one thing that shocked me about the other night was that DJ refused to run PnR with Zollins. Waved him off a couple of times. A PnR is the most basic play for a PG.

[KobesAchilles]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG

Nah my man DJ still can’t really do that. Compare him to other top PGs in this aspect. He just can’t do what they can. He has other strengths to be sure. But he isn’t splitting double teams, finishing through traffic, and collapsing the defense enough. He has definitely improved his finishing ability and that’s great. Next on the list is to be able to suck in like 3 defenders on him and be a threat to either finish around the rim (like Tony used to) or pass out to someone other than Poeltl.

It’s not really the assist to TO ratio (though that is important bc we don’t want a Westbrook) but he makes the simple play too many times. It’s a step in the right direction to be sure but he isn’t an advanced passer at all. I would say he is equal to Westbrook in passing (they make very similar passes and plays tbh) Also, and this is definitely only me, I would like to see his turnovers go up and him practice different passes and dribbling lanes and things of this nature. It’s a lost season anyways, might as well get in game reps on this stuff.

[Dejounte]

Traffic is about the only place he can’t dribble. He’s a good passer to the perimeter, and although he commits few turnovers, I’d say most of them are dribbling in traffic, or forcing a pass in traffic.

You can train a SG to run a basic pick and roll, and make some basic reads, but that doesn’t make them a PG. This has been spotlighted by the fact that an 18 YO kid came into camp this year and displayed real court vision this year. He just makes passes that DJ would never even see as open, and he’ll take the ball out of his hands in a year or maybe two.

What you’re seeing from Primo is a mirage of highlight reel type passes similar to what we’ve seen from Lonnie. Neither are point guards who will set up the offense for you. Their passes are what you need from your SGs/wings when you need to break the defense open when mere set up of the offense isn’t working. We’ve seen these passes before from Lonnie and thoughts of him being a point died quick when it was clear he didn’t have the instincts for it and to lead like Murray does. If you watch Primo out there, he looks more than happy to compliment Murray and they work together well. When Murray needs a break from ball handling, as he often does, he defers to other players such as White and Lonnie. All these unnecessary statements of Primo taking duties from Murray when Murray has shown he’s a player willing to defer to others (and generously, I might add) are unfounded.

[couchman]

Unreal that people think a guy averaging 9 assists a game is not cut out for PG. Srsly!?!

DJM is an All-Star level PG.
If we need more dribble drive penetration on the team (I think we do) we should look to upgrade the 2 and 3 positions on the floor where we do not have All-Star level play right now.

[exstatic]

Unreal that people think a guy averaging 9 assists a game is not cut out for PG. Srsly!?!

DJM is an All-Star level PG.
If we need more dribble drive penetration on the team (I think we do) we should look to upgrade the 2 and 3 positions on the floor where we do not have All-Star level play right now.

He’s a SG with the ball in his hands all of the time, and he makes few mistakes. He also misses a ton of open perimeter players. This is literally the first year he’s been able to run the PnR with Jak well. White was running it at a high level his first full year in SA, and is one of the best PnR ball handlers in the NBA in all aspects, screen accepted, screen declined, pull up J.

[RC_Drunkford]

I’m not critical of Murray whatsoever. It’s just a fact that he isn’t a good dribbler and can’t get into the teeth of the defense consistently. He just isn’t a point guard. He has now developed into a very solid player. But I think we are just asking too much of him. I think he would be better suited as a scoring 2 guard. He could be a Derozan (offensively) with a 3ball tbh. That would be a of a player.

I haven’t watched college ball in years. I have no idea who is available tbh. I agree that to combine Murray with a star is the optimal play. What I’m saying though is that even if we draft a star, that player will take years to become a star. There’s no such thing as an instant star anymore. Short of Lebron I can’t think of one. The closest I suppose is Morant or Luka. So if we draft Chet he could take 3-4 years to be an all star (if he becomes one). The best situation is a 96 year I suppose for everyone else but Chet and then we get a solid player in the draft two years in a row while having Murray.

Or we could end up like Minny and the Kings…

averages 9 assists per game with the 2nd lowest AST to TO rate

Spurstalk: He's not a PG

[KobesAchilles]

I mean Harden averages a lot of assists. So does Westbrix. He runs the show at a basic level. Idk what to tell you if you think there isn’t a ceiling to his dribbling and penetrating the defense. His passing is basic as well. It’s a lot of first read passing and not so much the harder passes that we need him to make. To me, low turnovers is a problem this year. Manu turned the ball over a lot but the dude could pass. I want DJ to break out his comfort and try some harder passes in game. He has the height to make some Lebron like passes. Just over the head of his defender. just not the smarts.

[KobesAchilles]

Also Exstatic is agreeing with me. Usually not a good thing. But dammit I agree with his post

[exstatic]

Not so thrilled to be on the same page, either.

[HemisfairArena]

Weak draft,,,,no game changers,,,,it'll be the 2016 draft part 2 with players like Simmons, Ingram, and Brown going top 3. Dont expect a franchise player regardless where the Spurs draft.

[John B]

I mean Harden averages a lot of assists. So does Westbrix. He runs the show at a basic level. Idk what to tell you if you think there isn’t a ceiling to his dribbling and penetrating the defense. His passing is basic as well. It’s a lot of first read passing and not so much the harder passes that we need him to make. To me, low turnovers is a problem this year. Manu turned the ball over a lot but the dude could pass. I want DJ to break out his comfort and try some harder passes in game. He has the height to make some Lebron like passes. Just over the head of his defender. just not the smarts.

I hate Harden but those crazy bounce passes through traffic. Harden has very quick and accurate hands. I’ve seen DJM trying those and getting turnovers. And if Spurs get Collins, DJ needs those CP3/Nash lob passes, especially if they trade DWhite out.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean Harden averages a lot of assists. So does Westbrix. He runs the show at a basic level. Idk what to tell you if you think there isn’t a ceiling to his dribbling and penetrating the defense. His passing is basic as well. It’s a lot of first read passing and not so much the harder passes that we need him to make. To me, low turnovers is a problem this year. Manu turned the ball over a lot but the dude could pass. I want DJ to break out his comfort and try some harder passes in game. He has the height to make some Lebron like passes. Just over the head of his defender. just not the smarts.

Westbrick averages 7.7 AST on 4.1 TOs. That's significantly worse than DJ

[KobesAchilles]

Westbrick averages 7.7 AST on 4.1 TOs. That's significantly worse than DJ

There’s no doubt that DJ takes care of the ball better than Westbrook. My point in Westbrook is that he and DJ play similar when it comes to PG. basic bounce passes, no real court vision, kinda robotic in a sense that there’s no real creativity in their play making. Westbrook is a PG but like is he really?

Murray is a PG but I think if we had someone else running the point, like a Mike Conley type for instance, that DJ would be better suited for it. His numbers might go down assists wise but I think if he focused solely on scoring/defense with some secondary playmaking then he could be the best SG in the league.