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    The problem with Chicago isn't team construction -- they're very good. The problem with Chicago is the injuries.
    Their interior defense is absolutely horrible. Demar is stuck playing PF on defense again. Works well enough in the regular season, but they'll get murdered in the playoffs.

    They can beat the Nets, Celtics and Raptors that also don't have interior presence. They can outgun the Cavs and the Hawks, maybe even Miami if they get hot, but I doubt it.

    Against Giannis and Embiid they'll just get obliterated. It's going to be tough to watch. If Sixers don't trade Simmons before the deadline Bulls can outgun them, but Bucks matchup would be the closest thing to Bud's Hawks against Lebron.

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    Probably an obvious point, but FWIW a Hoopshype person (Scotto) saying “Raptors have considered offering a first-round pick to the Spurs for Poeltl.”

    What do folks think of Thad/Jak for Dargic’s contract/Precious Achuiwa/2023 FRP with the type of protection we got with the Chicago FRP?

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    Probably an obvious point, but FWIW a Hoopshype person (Scotto) saying “Raptors have considered offering a first-round pick to the Spurs for Poeltl.”

    What do folks think of Thad/Jak for Dargic’s contract/Precious Achuiwa/2023 FRP with the type of protection we got with the Chicago FRP?
    I would then try and get Collins for White, matching contract and pick. Dargic can be our veteran guard.

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    Sounds like Dragic is drawing heavy interest from around the league, so could be expensive.

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    Probably an obvious point, but FWIW a Hoopshype person (Scotto) saying “Raptors have considered offering a first-round pick to the Spurs for Poeltl.”

    What do folks think of Thad/Jak for Dargic’s contract/Precious Achuiwa/2023 FRP with the type of protection we got with the Chicago FRP?
    It doesn’t work in the trade machine. I’m not a huge fan of Achiuwa. He’s a dinosaur. Shoots fewer 3s than DeRozan, and at about 30%. His FT% is awful enough that he may never improve his 3s. At this point I’d say OG, and you don’t even have to throw in a FRP. If they say no, say thanks but no thanks. We absolutely are dealing from a position of strength. We’re not shopping him, they’re calling.

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    I have always wanted to see Dragic in a Spurs uniform but it would most likely not happen.

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    Sounds like Dragic is drawing heavy interest from around the league, so could be expensive.
    He’s old, costs a lot, and is a rental. For us, he’s salary ballast. Maybe you involve a 3rd team that actually wants him, and can give us a pick and a younger asset.

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    I have always wanted to see Dragic in a Spurs uniform but it would most likely not happen.
    Dude is washed now.

    Young Dragic? Sure....

    At this point, Spurs might as well bring back Beno Udrih.

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    He’s old, costs a lot, and is a rental. For us, he’s salary ballast. Maybe you involve a 3rd team that actually wants him, and can give us a pick and a younger asset.
    Point is, he's worth more than salary ballast to some teams.

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    A team on the hunt for a le yeah but not for us who are rebuilding hard pass

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    Dragic is Dallas bound. He's worth nothing to the Spurs.

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    Toronto has all its first-round picks looking ahead, which can be dangled as trade bait for a potential starting-caliber center. The Raptors have flirted with the idea of moving a first-round pick to re-acquire Poeltl, HoopsHype has learned. San Antonio is seeking a first-round pick and a quality player for Poeltl, according to Marc Stein. Poeltl is averaging career-highs in points (13.3), rebounds (9.0), and assists (2.8) this season.


    Indiana is seeking two first-round picks or a promising young player and a first-round pick in exchange for Turner, as I previously reported on HoopsHype.
    https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumo...-jakob-poeltl/

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    Chicago’s FRP and Toronto’s FRP for Turner? That I will let Poeltl go. Let’s go!

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    Chicago’s FRP and Toronto’s FRP for Turner? That I will let Poeltl go. Let’s go!
    Not a fan of this at all. Turner can walk after next season, just like Poeltl. He's unlikely to make a big contribution to a 30 win team in this time to be worth 2 decent firsts.

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    Point is, he's worth more than salary ballast to some teams.
    Did you read the second sentence?

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    It doesn’t work in the trade machine. I’m not a huge fan of Achiuwa. He’s a dinosaur. Shoots fewer 3s than DeRozan, and at about 30%. His FT% is awful enough that he may never improve his 3s. At this point I’d say OG, and you don’t even have to throw in a FRP. If they say no, say thanks but no thanks. We absolutely are dealing from a position of strength. We’re not shopping him, they’re calling.
    It works on the RealGM checker. The incoming and outgoing salaries are both 21M.

    Achuiwa is definitely a big project on offense for sure, though, a really good defender that can guard 4 positions. Not my preference either, my proposed trade with the 2023 FRP is maybe the upper limit of what TOR would offer
    Last edited by CGD; 02-06-2022 at 08:31 AM.

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    Point is, he's worth more than salary ballast to some teams.
    Yeah, but they have the same problem we have with Thad. Everyone knows he’s destined for a buy out.

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    Not a fan of this at all. Turner can walk after next season, just like Poeltl. He's unlikely to make a big contribution to a 30 win team in this time to be worth 2 decent firsts.
    Agree, ships sailed for me on Turner. I also don’t think he’s that much of an upgrade over this year’s Jakob tbh

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    Turner makes no sense for this team.

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    According to Marc Stein… “I don’t know if it’s a spurs thing or if the market is just quieter than expected but there just hasn’t been much Thaddeus Young discussion at all.”

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    According to Marc Stein… “I don’t know if it’s a spurs thing or if the market is just quieter than expected but there just hasn’t been much Thaddeus Young discussion at all.”
    I hope the spurs don’t buy him out unless he gives something back. They need to send a message to the league that the days of them buying out vets as a matter of due course is done.

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    I hope the spurs don’t buy him out unless he gives something back. They need to send a message to the league that the days of them buying out vets as a matter of due course is done.
    I know what you mean, it sucks I’m sure there’s some deals out there but it would require us taking back salary and unless it’s someone that fits into our timeline idk if that would be a good idea

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    I hope the spurs don’t buy him out unless he gives something back. They need to send a message to the league that the days of them buying out vets as a matter of due course is done.
    That’s what a buyout is. Post ASG, Thad will probably be owed $6M or so. The usual, back in the day was 50% of remaining salary. He’d give up $3M to be waived and go to a contender.

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    4 more days until we can stop pretending like something cool is going to happen here.

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    That’s what a buyout is. Post ASG, Thad will probably be owed $6M or so. The usual, back in the day was 50% of remaining salary. He’d give up $3M to be waived and go to a contender.
    And other teams know that. Why should they give up assets for a guy that the Spurs are most likely going to just let walk anyways?

    It would be one thing if Thad seemed to be in high demand but...apparently he's not, and his play hasn't really helped his case.

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