Mountaintop Monastery of Dejounte Murray

[John B]

I need him to see guys on the ing perimeter. He forces passes to Jak in traffic when the help defender digs down, not realizing that means SOMEONE IS WIDE ING OPEN. ing Primo sees these passes, and he’s still younger than Dejounte was when he was drafted.

Kobe wasn’t a PG either, but when he passes to Fisher from a double-team, it’s on the money, literally on Fisher’s hands, ready to shoot. I need DJ to be like that finding an open guy, after he sucks the defenders in, besides finishing hard with contacts and earning FT’s. As I said in the other thread, I think we’re just beginning to see him elevating his game more. The kid has a chip on his shoulder, disproving people. With better players around him, hopefully next season, he’s just going to get open even more and being more creative. It’s crucial for PATFO to ride his momentum. I think Spurs will make moves that we ST fans are not accustomed to, maybe not by tomorrow, but for sure this Summer, to get Murray some help. I just don’t see them tanking another year.

[MannyIsGod]

There's zero doubt Primo has better court vision and is probably already a better 3 point shooter. So? Primo's court vision, IMO, is elite. DJM doesn't have that, and he probably never will. I don't think that's something players really develop. But DJM is averaging nearly double digits in assists meaning he's creating opportunities for his teammates to score. Yes, he does this through the course of the offense, but he's still doing at a very high level. His pull up jumper from the elbow is ing elite. He needs to go to this more in late game situations, but he'll figure this out. I'm so excited to see him with someone else who can create out there to see how much better he does when the defense doesn't just focus on him.

Yeah, he forces some passes into Jakob, but he completes plenty and its not like he's a turnover machine. Far from it. Imagine if he had a big who was willing to dunk occasionally. DJM is a fantastic player. Just because he's not Jason Kidd doesn't mean . He does a certain set of things an an absolutely elite level and it doesn't matter if he fits the mold you think he should or not.

[exstatic]

I was being sarcastic. Folks keep moving the goal posts for Murray. Remember that guy who complained he wasn’t Kobe in the clutch? Now it’s “he can’t see guys on the perimeter.” I can link here many instances when he has, but it’s not worth the time. You can easily tell who watches the games from the garbage they spout.

I watch every game, and Primo has better court vision. Dejounte is mechanical, and locked into the play that is called. A pick and roll results in the roll man with the ball going to the hoop, or Dejounte pulling up for the elbow jumper. People complain that we don’t shoot enough 3s. This is why. Teams know that if they slightly delay the dig down, there will be no consequences at the arc. Once he’s accepted the screen, it’s either him, or the roller, lane traffic be damned.

[RC_Drunkford]

I watch every game, and Primo has better court vision. Dejounte is mechanical, and locked into the play that is called. A pick and roll results in the roll man with the ball going to the hoop, or Dejounte pulling up for the elbow jumper. People complain that we don’t shoot enough 3s. This is why. Teams know that if they slightly delay the dig down, there will be no consequences at the arc. Once he’s accepted the screen, it’s either him, or the roller, lane traffic be damned.

if Primo has better court vision, why does he average more TOs in the G-League than DJ does in the NBA?

[MannyIsGod]

Wait, are you really going to claim that the Spurs dont' shoot enough 3s because DJM in the PnR?

[MannyIsGod]

if Primo has better court vision, why does he average more TOs in the G-League than DJ does in the NBA?

Primo 100% has better court vision than DJM regardless of this stat.

[MannyIsGod]

The idea that we don't take as many 3s as other teams because of DJM not passing out to 3 point shooters on a PnR is one of a bad take. Other teams aren't getting open 3s off the PnR on a consistent basis. Definitely not enough to account for a higher volume of 3s. 4 out of the 5 top 3 point shooting teams by volume are in the bottom half of the league in PnR percentage. The exception is the Utah Jazz. The reason the Jazz are so good at the PnR isn't because of the guard, its because of Gobert and how easy he makes it on the guard to get points from that play.

[John B]

if Primo has better court vision, why does he average more TOs in the G-League than DJ does in the NBA?

Primo has better court vision at a young age. The TO was exactly that, young age. Heck, Manu was a TO machine earlier and he was already 24? And who would say Manu didn’t have great court vision because of his TO’s?

But contrary to DJ not getting there. He is a scholar of the game and a gym rat. Kawhi comes to mind.

[KingKev]

I was being sarcastic. Folks keep moving the goal posts for Murray. Remember that guy who complained he wasn’t Kobe in the clutch? Now it’s “he can’t see guys on the perimeter.” I can link here many instances when he has, but it’s not worth the time. You can easily tell who watches the games from the garbage they spout.

and those who on this board just can’t admit they are wrong. Let’s give DJ him some real targets to find. Not to take anything away from Jak but his offensive game is flourishing in part because of DJ.

[KingKev]

Primo has better court vision at a young age. The TO was exactly that, young age. Heck, Manu was a TO machine earlier and he was already 24? And who would say Manu didn’t have great court vision because of his TO’s?

But contrary to DJ not getting there. He is a scholar of the game and a gym rat. Kawhi comes to mind.

Yeah I don’t enjoy the Manu, Leonard and sometimes Parker comparisons that are all too often put forth with new Spurs but I agree here.

Once Primo earns his minutes and his coaches trust he is probably going to be a pretty good
play maker and you will live with some of his turnovers like we did with Manu.

Similarly DJ will continue to chip away at his craft the way Kawhi did.

Tall order for DJ or Primo to replicate Kawhi or Manu’s careers but I see the similarities in the way their development is and will emulate Kawhi and Manu respectively.

[Atl Spur]

Primo has a high bbiq and the talent to cultivate. Murray has come along way and deserves praise/recognition for his work! To me, Murray is still more a sg than pg by skill set.

[exstatic]

Primo has a high bbiq and the talent to cultivate. Murray has come along way and deserves praise/recognition for his work! To me, Murray is still more a sg than pg by skill set.

Oh , you’ve just called down the lightning…

[Atl Spur]

Oh , you’ve just called down the lightning…

Lol……..not worried at all

[MannyIsGod]

The differentiation between PG and SG is stupid, honestly. What you really mean is that Primo might be a better creator for others than Murray. That has nothing to do with a position that has historically be determined by height. Lebron James is not a point guard, yet he has the skills that so many people associate with a PG.

[Atl Spur]

The differentiation between PG and SG is stupid, honestly. What you really mean is that Primo might be a better creator for others than Murray. That has nothing to do with a position that has historically be determined by height. Lebron James is not a point guard, yet he has the skills that so many people associate with a PG.

Just so you know pg is typically the distributor/quarterback; the role is not solely or limited to just him.

[John B]

I think Murray is benefiting from the offense set for Demar as a distributor. Murray is taking it further.

I don't worry about Murray as a distributor. Just maybe the Nash/CP3 ally-op set-ups (possibly to John Collins) or Harden bounce pass in traffic. Again as a gym rat, I think he'll get those, as he becomes a stronger ballhandler and more defense collapse on him.

[XDT76]

No need to peg Murray into a specific role, Tony was not a great playmaker but he is still a HOF and multiple championship starting PG. I rather DjM improve on his handling so that he could take it to the rim more. Every player is unique in their playing style.

[emanueldavidginobili]

No need to peg Murray into a specific role, Tony was not a great playmaker but he is still a HOF and multiple championship starting PG. I rather DjM improve on his handling so that he could take it to the rim more. Every player is unique in their playing style.

I agree, DJ could go down as a better play maker than TP when it is all said and done. Tony had much better players around him and his career high in assist per game in a season is 7.7 I think DJ averages 8 for the rest of his career tbh.

[talkspurs]

When Murray is able to run the offense like Kidd/nash, shoot 3s like curry, play defense like kawhi/bowen, Drive like tp, Rebound like rodman, score in the paint like wilt, Be as high of character like david, quiet assassin like Tim then maybe I will say he is ok.

Who yall kidding you still would find 10 things (you think are) wrong with him and think he is not worth the contract. some of yall just hate on him.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'll never understand how people can hate a guy who when he tied David Robinson for most triple doubles in Spurs history said: "I was horrible". That was literally his first sentence after that question, but some people here think he's a stat padder. And if you think he's not a championship piece, mind you all he has to do is shoot better percentages and his numbers will go up further. He's in the Jrue Holiday category right now, so 3rd wheel at least while still having room to grow.

[emanueldavidginobili]

The kid is special he advanced his offensive game so much and everyone loves offense but on the other side of the ball this kid is one of the most disruptive and best defenders in the NBA. He has a great shot at NBA All-Defensive First team topping his NBA All-Defensive Second team when he was 21 years old lmao. Crazy he actually got that award then now that I think of it.

[John B]

I think Spurs fans have been used to 3 decades of players who just go about their business, and just let their game speak for itself. Then comes DJM and the social media. It’s not that I hated him, and will speak only for myself. But that’s just it. 3 decades of winning. It’s a lifetime. Then we start losing and DJM flexing in Instagram. To me that’s it. I’m happy for DJM. He’s gone a long way, and finally this year. No more Demar. He’s been given the key, averaging almost triple-double, All-Star. He is a Spurs draft at 29 and now sowing all his hard works. It couldn’t be any better than that. Now give this guy his Robin.

[talkspurs]

I think Spurs fans have been used to 3 decades of players who just go about their business, and just let their game speak for itself. Then comes DJM and the social media. It’s not that I hated him, and will speak only for myself. But that’s just it. 3 decades of winning. It’s a lifetime. Then we start losing and DJM flexing in Instagram. To me that’s it. I’m happy for DJM. He’s gone a long way, and finally this year. No more Demar. He’s been given the key, averaging almost triple-double, All-Star. He is a Spurs draft at 29 and now sowing all his hard works. It couldn’t be any better than that. Now give this guy his Robin.

I dont have a problem with you as you have atleast admitted you were wrong on him. The ones that frustrate me are the ones that still act like he is stat padding and would not start on a good team. These are the ones that no matter what he does will always find things wrong with him (instead of saying he is good) because they have something against him.

[Dejounte]

I dont have a problem with you as you have atleast admitted you were wrong on him. The ones that frustrate me are the ones that still act like he is stat padding and would not start on a good team. These are the ones that no matter what he does will always find things wrong with him (instead of saying he is good) because they have something against him.

There are people who think he’s not a star even though he’s literally an all-star now. Insane. I think reality will set in for those people once DJ gradually gets more media attention and you’ll find more fans from other teams give him love. But if even that still doesn’t make people believe he’s a star, then there’s this thing people call people who don’t live in reality…

[HemisfairArena]

Murray is a poor man's Westbrook,,,,and I mean an extremely poor man. If you think this guy is a cornerstone of the Spurs future then sell the team while you can still make a profit, Peter Holt. Murray is a joke. Let me know when he can carry this team to anything.