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There’s no FRP from the lakers.
So we have the Raptors if they make the playoffs, the Celtics, the LAL, and our own, which would make 4 no? I'm missing a move somewhere and ending up with 4 instead of 3?? What gives??
There’s no FRP from the lakers.
The LAL pick is a second rounder, currently in the 40s.
Ah, thought it was a FRP. Appreciate the clarification. Either way, we should have 2 picks in the low to mid 20s AT WORST, as well as ours in the 7-10 range. Could likely package that to-go into top 3 if they really saw something they liked or just hang back and stock up on solid ass players.
This is the draft, along with Primo's hopeful development that returns us to annual playoff territory. Just wish we'd get consistency from Walker. That could turn into a nice, solid, and deep roster for the first time in years. No Timmay but maybe 4 or 5 solid players if Collins, Walker, or Vassell become their potential.
Cacok appears to be another one of those PFs that is really too short for the position???? I know he has been successful in the G League team, but G League ain't the big show. I actually kinda like him, but damn it, no more tweeners please.
Worst case for the Boston pick is if they go on a tear and finish with a top 6 or so record, putting their pick (now the Spurs') around #25. Not likely imo.
Worst case for the Toronto pick is if they miss the playoffs. Then they keep their 2022 first and the Spurs only get Toronto's 2023 first if Toronto makes the playoffs next season. This has a decent chance of happening because Toronto will likely be in the play-in and any team can go cold for a game or two.
Worst case for the Spurs' own pick is not jumping into the top 4 and having teams like Portland and Washington out-tank them the rest of the way.
Best case for the Boston pick is them missing the playoffs, not jumping into the top 4, and having to convey a pick in the #11 range to the Spurs. Not likely.
Best case for the Toronto pick is them barely squeaking into the playoffs and having to convey a pick around #17. Good chance this happens if they are in the play-in and make it into the bracket.
Best case for the Spurs pick, of course, is winning the lottery and picking #1. There's a decent chance of jumping into the top 4 (37.2% chance if the season ended today) and right now the Spurs' chances of picking #1 are 9%.
Worst-case scenario:
Boston falls into the lotto and gets a top-four pick
Toronto misses the playoff and keeps their pick while getting the Detroit second from SA
Los Angeles wins a lot of games and drops their pick into the 50s
SA drops into the middle of the round.
That would give the Spurs a meh first and bad second for this draft. Assuming the worst-case scenario continues for next year, Boston someone gets into the top-four again and Toronto gets into the top 13, meaning the Spurs traded White and a good pick away for three second-rounders. The Spurs would have something like 11 and 51 in 2022 and 11, 41, 43 and 44 in 2023
(Technically, from a pure-drafting PoV, the worst-case scenario would be the Spurs getting into the top-five next year. That would see them trading their second to Indy for the privilege of giving them a TE for McDermott, but obviously if the Spurs managed to be that good in 2023, we really shouldn't be ing about their picks -- even though I totally still would be.)
The next 10 games for the Nets include 5 on the road vs Miami, New York, Washington, Toronto, & Boston. If Durant isn't back yet, the Nets will be led by Kyrie + (maybe) a rusty Ben Simmons. Their next 5 home games are against Sacramento, Washington, Boston, Toronto, & Miami. If Durant isn't back yet, they'll also be without Kyrie, and that would be a pretty weak team. If they have a poor showing in those 10, that only leaves 18 more games for them to make up ground. Should be interesting...
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Really wish spurs could of held onto that det 2rp
Have to say, it really says something about Pop's rotations that Toronto was willing to give up a FRP for Thad with the idea that he'd improve their playoff chances, while also immediately waiving Eubanks. In San Antonio, Eubanks got 595 minutes in 49 games compared to Thad's 370 minutes in 26 games. In a different scenario, Thad could've been useful.
It's not a good look, but Eubanks has a good chance to be claimed by any team with the cap or TE and an open roster spot. He's a decent player. Thad was better and should have played, but I also think Toronto should have kept Drew if they're really that keen on having a center.
The worst case scenario for the Toronto pick would be if they don't make the playoffs this season and next and it turns into 2 second rounders. It'd basically be Detroit's pick ( 31, maybe 32 ) for two picks likely around 31-44. It's worth the gamble however you look at it, especially since the Spurs already have 2 first round picks in 2022, assuming Boston's don't go top 4, which is highly unlikely ( and if that happens it increases Toronto's chances to make the playoffs and convey the other pick anyway).
FiveThirtyEight current predictions, which includes deadline trades:
5th/6th/7th: Kings, Pacers, Spurs.
18th/19th: Bulls, Raptors
23rd: Celtics
That’s near ideal, except for the Cs. Spots 5-7 give us an excellent chance to jump into the top 4.
As far as I can tell, in the worst-case scenario, Toronto would get 31 in 2022 for 44 (since they can also protect their pick by getting 14 and jumping into the top four) in 2023 and an indeterminant but presumably bad second-rounder in 2025. They don't just have two good seconds in 2023 to give to the Spurs. So in the worst-case scenario, the Spurs traded Young, Eubanks and 31 to defer a year and move back 10 or so spots in order to pick up a late-second. That's bad. You can sell me much more easily on giving up the Lakers pick in the event of the pick not conveying, because 42 in 2022 for 43/44 in 2023 and some random late pick is decent downside. There's a decent chance that the Spurs end up trading away the LAL pick for something like that anyway. Losing it outright wouldn't be a great harm.
I think if we assume the likely events happen, the trade is okay -- not great, but if it's the only alternative to Young being bought out, it's not bad. I wish, though, that Wright had been able negotiate less downside, either in the way I suggested above or by at least making the 2022 first top-10 or top-12 protected to eliminate most of the possibility of the Raptors tanking a play-in game to secure their pick while pocketing a great second for the trouble.
Top 12 would have been great and it seems the Spurs were negotiating in this very direction since the 2023 pick is top 13 protected but it is what it is.It’s a good gamble especially if the alternative was a Prince and a second kind of a deal. Or a buyout.
I may be one of the few but I am not big ont these trades. I think I like white trade more then this one. I also heard about us talking to Charlotte about kai and washington for Poeltl. We wanted a Pick and they did not want to. Would have rather done the pick trade there then here.
Sa is haveing to pay more for a player. Tor got a player they wanted are got some monetary savings. and only lost a little on the draft. 1st also come with guaranteed money as 2nds dont. beleive I have seen before where people will trade a lower first for higher 2nd straight up because of the guaranteed money. yep toronto won this pick.
I also wish people would stop saying we got a first for thad. We got a first for thad Det2nd which is almost a 1st and us paying for their player.
complaining over moving up 10 draft spots for an expiring player that didnt play at all
1st rounders are more valuable than 2nds, period. Spurs can use two of their 1sts as trade bait which is much more enticing than any 2nd rounder no matter where the pick is. that Charlotte deal was a poor return for Poeltl who is superior to White, and White fetched a better return on his own. Wright made the (w)right call
We got a pick swap for Thad as a short term rental. The other alternative was to buy him out. CLEAR win.
Just because you seem to be having trouble visualizing this
A. Buy out Thad
B. Buy out Dragic, and move up in the draft.
I think you can easily argue that this deal was better than Thad/Eubanks for Saric/Smith/first, considering that the Raptors will probably convey a decent pick now rather than a future pick and the Spurs have more cap space to use to potentially get more assets. However, as I have mentioned, it's not without risk. I totally understand being apprehensive of the deal. I'm pleased the Spurs were willing to use their salary space for assets, even if they ultimately ended up getting cash to cover the expenses. Wright continues to be good at getting value around the margins, with the sole exceptions being the Chriss and McDermott trades. It'll be interesting to see how he fares in bigger deals. The Leonard and DeRozan trades probably even out to be meh, and the White trade is undetermined.
Last night’s emotional win might make the 2nd half of B harder to realize. I think we lost a lot of games from Covid. But I think we got better with our new lineup. The only thing is taking Lonnie’s minutes and giving it to Jefferson or Langford if they’re more capable and not shy to hurl that ball. I know that Pop sometimes throw the towel towards 3rd quarter. But when he sees the lineup clicking, and I have a felling it will be much better, Pop wouldn’t be able to help himself Coach them to W. As you said, being at 4 wouldn’t be that much advantageous than 5-7.
So many moving pieces. I love watching all you trade experts try to figure out all the options. I'm not kidding. I wouldn't have the patience to do it. Whatever the result, these trades have jumped up the excitement level for the rest of the year among all the trade experts here and that's a plus over previous years where the Spurs mostly stayed pat at trading deadlines.
Should be a lot of fun the rest of the way just watching how the new players will do and how the other teams fortunes will decide how these trades will work out. Thanks guys for keeping us lazy fans posted on the possibilities going forward.
Yeah, getting ~10 spots in the draft for nothing is great. I mean, the player(s) they want are literally much more likely to be there.
Supposedly Dragic buyout was agreed to. Anyone see any numbers yet
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