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    By size we play Keldon out of position at PF. While many say there is no difference between SF and SG in today's NBA many SGs tend to be slightly smaller in size and frame. I would like to see Keldon given a shot at SG forcing the smaller of SF/SG to defend him. He could post up, drive or hit the three.He would be a nightmare to guard. Just like Murray is redefining the PG role with his rebounding, so could Keldon do something similar at the SG with posting up.
    The problem is we are undersize at 2-4 thus no on will send their 2 to guard KJ. Also as a 2 KJ is too slow to defend. We will need upgrade for our forwards for your wish to come true successfully.

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    Moses Brown released by the Mavs. It might be an interesting pickup as we churn the end of the roster.
    He would be somoene I would try and get even if it just to put him in Austin. I could see boston going for him.

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    Where the is my boy Sugus
    I'm fresh off a two weeks' time beach vacation, just now hopping back into my PC. Followed the trade deadline lightly since I didn't have wifi where I was staying lol.

    I'm coming back to SpursTalk like....


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    I'm fresh off a two weeks' time beach vacation, just now hopping back into my PC. Followed the trade deadline lightly since I didn't have wifi where I was staying lol.

    I'm coming back to SpursTalk like....

    looking forward to all your thoughts

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    looking forward to all your thoughts
    I actually forgot to say it - I'm really looking forward to your thoughts! I'm sure you were following the deadline (and the team for the past couple weeks) closely, so what do you think of it all? Obviously the White trade was a "blockbuster" and bound to change how the team goes, but what about the rest of the moves? Is the outlook for this off-season bleaker or brighter than it was 2 weeks ago? How has Primo been playing, and will he capitalize on a bigger opportunity now that the starting SG spot is seemingly up for grabs? Oh, and how's Zach Collins?! Is he looking like a s of himself, or a future contributor? And a personal favorite - how has Jakob been playing?

    I'm very curious, and at the same time, not really feeling like binging 10 or so Spurs games and sifting through things... I'll refrain from giving much comment until I get a good look at the state of the team the next few games.

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    I actually forgot to say it - I'm really looking forward to your thoughts! I'm sure you were following the deadline (and the team for the past couple weeks) closely, so what do you think of it all? Obviously the White trade was a "blockbuster" and bound to change how the team goes, but what about the rest of the moves? Is the outlook for this off-season bleaker or brighter than it was 2 weeks ago? How has Primo been playing, and will he capitalize on a bigger opportunity now that the starting SG spot is seemingly up for grabs? Oh, and how's Zach Collins?! Is he looking like a s of himself, or a future contributor? And a personal favorite - how has Jakob been playing?

    I'm very curious, and at the same time, not really feeling like binging 10 or so Spurs games and sifting through things... I'll refrain from giving much comment until I get a good look at the state of the team the next few games.
    May be brief since I’m on my phone

    outlook: trading for picks is the front office putting more faith in their scouting than ever before. Regardless of if their plan is to move up or not, i believe they are fully prepared for plan B to draft and keep all their selections on the roster which tells me they have some idea of players in this draft having a higher ceiling than what White had. I like that the Spurs are confident in the unknown and are willing to take those risks. I’m excited for our potential picks, whether they draft #5 or #10, because of what DJ has become.

    i think Vassell will keep the starting spot for awhile. Primo looks like he doesn’t know how his spots yet and at times is playing too unselfish. The great thing is when he’s making mistakes, he’s not given the “Lonnie leash”. Pop keeps him in the game for long stretches.

    ZCollins looks like a solid player. Gives the center position a fresh look. His hand eye coordination and reflexes are top notch for a center. Centers are usually react slow to things, but Zach is a quick thinker on the court.

    Jakob has regressed, man. He was a lock down defender in the paint at the beginning of the season, but now not so much. Dont get me wrong, he’s still good. Just not exceptional. I’m not opposed to the idea that it’s just a funk.

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    I have been asking for this backcourt to be broken up for a while now. I felt like it never worked. And i understood the arguments for those who wanted to give it a try because Murray did his acl, then white had injuries, then when they finally were available, pop wouldn't play them together due to spacing having ddr, then white had an injury plagued year, then once ddr wss traded, everyone here salivated over the backcourt pairing.

    To me, it has been 3 years of it being tested part time and it hasn't worked. I wanted one of them traded, and since Murray became the clear star, White was out.

    The pairing didn't work, partly because they both not good shooters. Yes Murray is getting better but it's mainly off a balanced shot off the catch. He doesn't create a 3 for himself which is a powerful move in today's nba.

    But my main issue is this idea you can't have 2 pgs controlling the game at the same time. It becomes disjointed. And white and Murray play at different speeds, which means the team plays at different speeds depending who's calling the shots on that possession. I strongly believe it can't be done, like Francis and Malbury.

    Now I wanted a combo forward. Like many here, I'm not a fan of Johnson playing full time pf. But pair him with a combo forward that's a bit more reliable on the boards would be fine. Another option is to get an elite center, someone who will gobble the boards. Poeltl isn't that on defensive rebounds.

    Obviously those are hard to find. Trading for another guard was a slight let down. At least Josh Richardson and Longford are swing guards. The real prize is that 1st rounder and swap. It just gives spurs flexibility moving up to get a player they want or take a punt on a high upside player. They can still address my other issue with the team.

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    Goran has been bought out (shams)...we now have an open roster spot

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    Goran has been bought out (shams)...we now have an open roster spot
    I wonder how much he had to take off the table. Fred Van Fleet had a funny comment about this clown earlier this week lol. Hope he breaks his ankle the minute he signs with a contender.

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    I wonder how much he had to take off the table. Fred Van Fleet had a funny comment about this clown earlier this week lol. Hope he breaks his ankle the minute he signs with a contender.
    Fred is a clown too! I haven’t forgot that f pop comment when Kawhi was there.

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    I wonder how much he had to take off the table. Fred Van Fleet had a funny comment about this clown earlier this week lol. Hope he breaks his ankle the minute he signs with a contender.

    There’s some history to that. Last summer, after Dragic was traded from Miami to Toronto, he did a local interview in Slovenia, which is where he’s from. In the interview, Dragic said he was “hoping for something better.” The Raps were 27-45 last year and they looked like trash. (Much better this year.)

    So the problem was, he was too honest, in a public statement. He basically observed that the Raps suked (at that time, true enough.) Word of what he’d said got back to the Raps, of course, as always happens. He did apologize, but as he joined the Raps it was not all cupcakes and smiley faces.

    The lesson being, when you’re traded to a new team, never ever make a public statement that they suk. Lol. It irritates people.

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    There’s some history to that. Last summer, after Dragic was traded from Miami to Toronto, he did a local interview in Slovenia, which is where he’s from. In the interview, Dragic said he was “hoping for something better.” The Raps were 27-45 last year and they looked like trash. (Much better this year.)

    So the problem was, he was too honest, in a public statement. He basically observed that the Raps suked (at that time, true enough.) Word of what he’d said got back to the Raps, of course, as always happens. He did apologize, but as he joined the Raps it was not all cupcakes and smiley faces.

    The lesson being, when you’re traded to a new team, never ever make a public statement that they suk. Lol. It irritates people.
    Yeah well aware as I’m from TO. Not a Raps fan but guys like that rub me the wrong way. Atleast Thad wanted to play.

    Brian Wright did a great job at the deadline and our pals over in TO were a little more accommodating this time around. Hard to cheer for a guy like Dragic at this point unless he took material money off the table. I’ll enjoy watching him join a contender and hopefully get bounced out of playoffs early.

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    He was Spurs SRP in 2008 with George Hill. I wonder had they kept him. What was the story?

    Him and Barbosa I remember Spurs’ picks that went to Suns and had a relatively great career, easily could’ve help the Spurs. Again showing great international scouts. Why Spurs didn’t keep them, I don’t know. And don’t get me started with Scola. Those 3 could’ve played together too.

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    He was Spurs SRP in 2008 with George Hill. I wonder had they kept him. What was the story?

    Him and Barbosa I remember Spurs’ picks that went to Suns and had a relatively great career, easily could’ve help the Spurs. Again showing great international scouts. Why Spurs didn’t keep them, I don’t know. And don’t get me started with Scola. Those 3 could’ve played together too.
    iirc the Suns told the Spurs to take both Dragic and Barbosa due to pick trades, meaning the Spurs FO shouldn't get any credit for those picks. But I could be wrong.

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    Goran has been bought out (shams)...we now have an open roster spot
    Drew Eubanks coming back!!

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    Drew Eubanks coming back!!
    Can't.

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    Neither can Dragic return to Miami, and for the same reason.

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    Mercifully

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    So I dont want him but I am thinking the pick trade would be worth it for a year.

    If the lakers continue to be bad a westbrook gets even worse. If the lakers would give us 2027 and 2029 frp with westbrook for Doug would yall do it? I dont see any team wanting them and lakers would be getting a large cap and tax relief. hopefully by then they wont be good. I would want either no or very low protections (aka first 2). more then that I say no and walk away.

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    So I dont want him but I am thinking the pick trade would be worth it for a year.

    If the lakers continue to be bad a westbrook gets even worse. If the lakers would give us 2027 and 2029 frp with westbrook for Doug would yall do it? I dont see any team wanting them and lakers would be getting a large cap and tax relief. hopefully by then they wont be good. I would want either no or very low protections (aka first 2). more then that I say no and walk away.
    no. This is the greatest comedy show of the year and I want it to continue for season 2. Westbrick is already my favorite Laker of alltime for destroying the Lakers and LeBron's legacy all at once. I wish he had a longer contract

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    Neither can Dragic return to Miami, and for the same reason.
    Nah, Dragic CAN go back to Miami thanks to the Bogut ruling a few years ago. The NBA made it clear the restriction only applies to the most recent trading team. I don't think it should, but they set the precedent and probably won't change their minds.

    Eubanks can't come back next summer either, which is odd but probably for the best.

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    Nah, Dragic CAN go back to Miami thanks to the Bogut ruling a few years ago. The NBA made it clear the restriction only applies to the most recent trading team. I don't think it should, but they set the precedent and probably won't change their minds.

    Eubanks can't come back next summer either, which is odd but probably for the best.
    Not saying I want him back but why cant he come back next year? From everything I ready it is only for the league year so he could come back next summer.

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    no. This is the greatest comedy show of the year and I want it to continue for season 2. Westbrick is already my favorite Laker of alltime for destroying the Lakers and LeBron's legacy all at once. I wish he had a longer contract
    Agree 100%

    Not only is Westbrook being exposed for the player that he is (stat-padder), but it was LeBron and Davis who wanted to bring him in and now they are stuck with them.

    There is already talk of Vogel being fired because he has been benching him in 4th quarters. Only in LA would they fire a coach for making the right obvious decision to help your team win.

    Let that dumpster fire burn...I don't see Russ turning down his $47 MILLION DOLLAR paycheck next year

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    I'm starting to feel like the lottery will make a huge impact on how quickly this rebuild goes (duh). We are a fairly compe ive bad team, as the metrics show, not an absolutely roll over. So, we aren't THAT far off. With that said, we aren't necessarily better in the short run with a bunch of mid-FRPs.

    Scenario 1: We jump into the Top 4 and have an impact rookie. We use TOR and BOS picks to add another instant contributor, whether it be by moving up, or using to trade for an impactful vet, or in a S&T for someone who can be impactful (Levine?)

    Scenario 2: We have picks #8, 20, 25. We pick them all, and the Austin Spurs win the G-league with them spending significant time there. Or we'll trade those picks for picks down the road. We rent our cap space for more future picks, and we are basically just OKC or HOU, in what seems like forever rebuilding limbo... our problem will be we are too good to finish Top 4 every year, so we'll never make any real progress towards the rebuild.

    Is there are Scenario 3 where we still pick in the 7-10 range, but get an impact player and add other impact players through trades or free agency and improve right away?

    I know a lot of people would say it is foolish or impatient to expect a one year turnaround, but I have a hard time seeing an extended rebuild really working. With DJM and some of these other young guys, I don't see us sucking enough to fully commit to the tank, and we'll be forever stuck drafting these solid guys who aren't superstars. And no stars = no progress.

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