Damn I don’t expect this from Devin. I like it. He’s going beast mode tonight
And really this is the kind of stuff I’m really looking for from Devin. Because I was getting the impression that he’s starting to defer, getting content. Time to spend more time in the gym, get bigger, shadow Murray in his rituals. Let’s go Devin!
How about a parallel back to 2012 when the Spurs unloaded Richard Jefferson at the deadline opening up a SL spot for the Leonard guy.
Vassell's game could vault into what we see with Murray in a couple years.
Richardson would be SJax and Langford as Patty Mills staying with that end of 2012 theme. Collins would be a Diaw addition.
OMFG. Can we stop with these ridiculous comparisons.
Rovin Vassell. But I swear he’s going to average over 20+ pts especially once scoring is focused on him as a go-to guy. And he’s very capable with different ways of scoring the basket. And he’s just gonna get bigger and more confident. Another capable PF in this draft or trade to help in the paint, Spurs can realistically have that 1, 2, 3 punch by next season.
Devin had some nice crossovers against NOLA where he got off his defender and went into his pull up jumper. Improving his handles will really open up his offensive game
Granted it was against the corpse of Gallo but moves like this excite me for his future.
Behind all the talk about how much Dejounte has improved, since White was shipped out, Devin has been a stud. He may finally becoming what we thought he might be in the starting two guard role. Primo has some compe ion.
can we move vassell to 3? No way im taking devin out of the starting 5
I don't see why Primo and Vassell can't both play wing (2/3). This assumes Primo grows into the player we are hoping. Devin had been in a funk but has came out of it since White left. The thing is, if we get a good sized 4 for the starting line up and move Keldon to the three, who is the odd man out? Devin, Keldon or Josh?
kawhi was playing well enough that he basically forced his way into the starting lineup of a contending team. the spurs dumping white is very different than how we tried to unload RJ.
vassell hasnt played his way into the lineup the way kawhi did
probably josh next season
Definitely Keldon in that scenario. Both Primo and Devin have average or above-average measurements for their positions (2 & 3 respectively), plus good-to-great defense, and the most important: the correct attributes to their game that fit their position. Keldon lacks all of these.
Matter of fact, I've been pretty disappointed with Keldon's play at PF so far. He really, really doesn't look the part. He's built like a 3 but is too slow to play the position, doesn't have the rebounding instincts, nor the passing game, nor the shooting game (I'm still on the fence re: his 3pt shooting splits, and tend to think he'll fall back to Earth sooner than later). People really underestimate what an actual PF could do for this team.
Bad game tonight though
Solid points. My tangent: Keldon is sort of an enigma to me. Just this season at the beginning I thought that if he could at least be decent from 3, then his whole game would click. Inexplicably, he's become a lights out spot up shooter but it doesn't seem to have improved his game much from what I've seen but don't watch all the games. But as for who is the odd man out, I agree that it would probably be Keldon. My caveats are that Primo's defense might be overrated or actually bad, and that I'd like to see if Keldon improves over this Summer. He is adding skills but hasn't found a way for it to click yet. It may never. But I don't think he's getting worse, so I'm open to see.
I've really cooled down my expectations of Keldon, tbh, I'm at peace with the player he is. His 3pt % is misleading - I don't have stats handy, but it looks to me like he hardly, if ever, creates his own shots from deep. While it's obviously better to be a good C&S player than not be, it's also not nearly enough to make defenders close out hard on him and open up his game, especially when every single scouting report on him must highlight his desire to get to the basket. A soft closeout is all a defender needs for Keldon to pump fake, dribble into the defense, and just throw up prayer after prayer.
He was flashing some midrange jumpers early in the season that would help with this, I have no idea where that went. And of course, he's still young, there's time to improve.... But it's looking less likely to me as time goes on. Especially as long as he's in positional No Man's Land - too slow to play the 3, and way too short and unskilled to play the 4 reliably. Today's game against the Bulls was a massacre on the boards, and a big portion of the blame goes to Keldon himself - not only did he pull a measly 3 boards, he also failed to box out Bulls' players through the game, which allowed them numerous second chance points. This, combined with his bad defense..... Not the kind of things you want to see in your starting PF. At all.
I don't really think Primo's defense gets overrated much (does it even get "rated" beyond this board?). He's sneakily solid there and times his block attempts well, and he's got a deceptive length to him, but it's pretty pedestrian otherwise, to be expected of a rookie. My hopes regarding him are both that he can 1. Keep on growing in height, since it makes him a much bigger mismatch and potentially allows him to play the 3, and 2. Learn to better use his high IQ and processing speed to make plays on defense. The combination of a strong core, good positioning, good hands, and timing, makes all the difference between a good defender and a bad one, and I think Primo can perfectly get there, if not better. Time will tell.
Keldon is just figuring out how to balance his newfound shooting with his driving game, his FG at the rim actually got significantly better each month. He does not have the tools to be a plus defender but he would be a borderline all star if his efficiency at the rim and 3 holds up. He is on pace to be a 50 40 guy at the PF spot.I've really cooled down my expectations of Keldon, tbh, I'm at peace with the player he is. His 3pt % is misleading - I don't have stats handy, but it looks to me like he hardly, if ever, creates his own shots from deep. While it's obviously better to be a good C&S player than not be, it's also not nearly enough to make defenders close out hard on him and open up his game, especially when every single scouting report on him must highlight his desire to get to the basket. A soft closeout is all a defender needs for Keldon to pump fake, dribble into the defense, and just throw up prayer after prayer.
He was flashing some midrange jumpers early in the season that would help with this, I have no idea where that went. And of course, he's still young, there's time to improve.... But it's looking less likely to me as time goes on. Especially as long as he's in positional No Man's Land - too slow to play the 3, and way too short and unskilled to play the 4 reliably. Today's game against the Bulls was a massacre on the boards, and a big portion of the blame goes to Keldon himself - not only did he pull a measly 3 boards, he also failed to box out Bulls' players through the game, which allowed them numerous second chance points. This, combined with his bad defense..... Not the kind of things you want to see in your starting PF. At all.
I don't really think Primo's defense gets overrated much (does it even get "rated" beyond this board?
Rookie guards defense is mostly bad, i would wait for next year he would be one of the best shotblocking guards in the league at least.
so... is this guy actually going to be a plus 3 point shooter or just a wing who hoists them up with middling efficiency like bobby covington?
Draymond says Keldon will be an All Star in a couple of years. He’s played with a few, so I wouldn’t just write that off
He’s been pretty consistently at league average both years. The good news is that his attempts have jumped from 2.4 to 5.1 without a dip in percentage. Devin is a gym rat, so I’d look for an increase next year. I don’t eee him reaching Keldon levels but certainly 38-39% is in reach, and on 5-6 attempts, that would be enough to open up driving lanes.
Yeah, there's hope for him, I'm just saying I don't like the role/way he's playing now. He can be a great player, just not a starting PF on a great team, IMO. But who knows, with the way the league is trending... He might be above-average height for a PF by the time he hits his prime
I don't think he'd be an AS by just maintaining efficiency of shots. It took DJ much more than that to get in, and even he did it as a reserve off the bench. We'd have to start seeing Keldon make up plays, close out games in some fashion, be "that guy" for the Spurs for stretches. When you've got a bad, talent-riddled team, you gotta stand out head and shoulders to get such consideration. Having said that -- I don't care for him being an AS or not at all. I want him to be great, and the accolades can accompany that or not.
I found it curious you say "i would wait for next year he would be one of the best shotblocking guards in the league at least". How so? He's never been a premier shot-blocker and his physical tools already hamper him there, as you said. I haven't checked the stats, but the eye-test doesn't show me anything special re: blocks. How would Keldon develop into that? Most elite shot-blockers have unreal timing, or length, or discipline, and most often all three, and Keldon lacks them all for now...
re your last paragraph : he’s talking about PrimoYeah, there's hope for him, I'm just saying I don't like the role/way he's playing now. He can be a great player, just not a starting PF on a great team, IMO. But who knows, with the way the league is trending... He might be above-average height for a PF by the time he hits his prime
I don't think he'd be an AS by just maintaining efficiency of shots. It took DJ much more than that to get in, and even he did it as a reserve off the bench. We'd have to start seeing Keldon make up plays, close out games in some fashion, be "that guy" for the Spurs for stretches. When you've got a bad, talent-riddled team, you gotta stand out head and shoulders to get such consideration. Having said that -- I don't care for him being an AS or not at all. I want him to be great, and the accolades can accompany that or not.
I found it curious you say "i would wait for next year he would be one of the best shotblocking guards in the league at least". How so? He's never been a premier shot-blocker and his physical tools already hamper him there, as you said. I haven't checked the stats, but the eye-test doesn't show me anything special re: blocks. How would Keldon develop into that? Most elite shot-blockers have unreal timing, or length, or discipline, and most often all three, and Keldon lacks them all for now...
Kuzma erupting to 36 pts says a lot. Keldon will always be overmatched in the PF position. I know the PATFO will address this over the summer. I like Keldon’s 3pt, reminds me so much of Bruce’s when you know it’s money. Keldon would have to be a 3 and D SF, improve his laterals to keep in front of his guy, anticipating where they’re going, not necessarily reaching but just being there before them, and maybe drawing the charge. I know we call him big body, but he needs to get leaner like a gazelle. I think he tried to build up for the PF position, but his game is not his back behind the basket. It’s more of a C&S with occasional drives. And I’ve seen him facilitate every now and then. Keldon has a good bball iq, and he knows when to take over and not shy about it. I’m not worried.
Vassell was guarding Kuzma for most of the game. Watch the ing games and not rely on box scores all the time.
I’m pretty sure Keldon wears #3 dumbass.
Well, I’m not scared to admit I’m wrong. But you’re a still a knee jerking dumbass who shows his low intelligence everyday
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