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The "meds" tact?
tee, hee.
Bipolar trend is not a laughing matter, please take your meds.
The "meds" tact?
tee, hee.
It would be a “tact” only if it was not true but you need to take your meds.
So provide a testable definition of "dystopian hole"."DMC blah blah blah"
Normal day in ChirpDropper's week.
About all you ahve done is said "black people are victims of Republican policies" so far.
That and some autistic screeching about averages.
Honestly, your position is less than coherent here.
Your capitulation is duly noted.
You had no choice.
You had a choice, and chose cowardice.
smh About all you are capable of.
(1) Strawman. Never tried to disprove or prove any racial disparity, as that was not central to any point I was making. I do readily acknowledge that it exists.Gas lighting.
If you could disprove the black IMR disparity you'd probably win a Nobel, since science and basic statistics right now show a huge disparity. (1)
Argument from bad faith. You already know I shut you down. If your "red state/blue state" IMR guess (stop using scientific terms like "hypothesis" when it's a wild ass, off the cuff guess)(2) was worth the electrons used to produce it, you'd have to show all red states have the same issue. (3) You won't do this, instead you'll insist that all red states must be without the issue, however not all blue states are without the issue. This is just you shifting burden of proof. You made the positive assertion, you prove IMR is related to political party charge. Then you'll need to explain why blue states have such a high black IMR vs white IMR. Are blue state governments killing black babies at such a high rate with their policies? (4)
You cannot have your cake and have eaten it too.
Are they below average for both white and blacks?
You're ignoring racial economic and justice disparity in states like Minnesota (been in the news just a bit lately for just that). In fact, I gave you all the rankings and what you're saying doesn't jive.
Also, why do black people choose to live in dystopian holes? 55% of all US blacks live in the Southern states. The suffering and injustice (definition of "dystopian") would be between subsets of groups. In this case (IMR), it would be between blacks and whites. So the rankings I posted showed that the heaviest black populated district in the US (District of Columbia) has far and away the most racial injustice and suffering vs whites. It also has the greatest economic inequality.
I showed you California has the lowest overall education score, and that Alaska scored higher than California and several other blue states.
Texas is a red state. Why isn't it worse than Vermont in IMR? Why isn't it worse in education than California?
You haven't done anything but create another fetch mission while ignoring the facts.
What's clear is that you're only concerned about white people. You are allowing that blacks have 2x+ IMR of whites in these blue states and only taking the average. When the black IMR is 13 - 20 and the white IMR is 1.7, you'll take the average as if those black infant deaths can be nullified by the lack of white infant deaths, because the two races live in two completely different environments and under two completely different judicial systems. You're ok with that, because it helps you in your attempt to get a W here. I'd be ok with that except your side is the one pretending to be socially woke. You created your own definition of "dystopian" and then pulled variables from your asshole to try to support your false definition.
Your world atlas education data is from 2017. My data is more recent.
IMR, you show Wyoming at number 37
So let's get back to facts instead of your sloppy searches and hubris.
Let's examine "dystopia" (5)
Orwell is best remembered as the creator of a dystopia in which totalitarian ideology, pervasive surveillance, and constant editing of the past to meet the political requirements of the present make individuality impossible.
Seems like black folks have much less racial disparity living in the South. Go figure.
Then again, blacks are only about 12% of the population, you can average them out.
(2) Factually incorrect, and laughably ignorant because of it.. Scientific usage of the term absolutely applies here. "If a state is run using Republican policies, then it is more likely to be a dystopian hole." is put into the proper, scientific and logical format. Read up on it because you look like an idiot making this point.
(3)Strawman #2. Never said blue states coudn't meet the definition of dystopian holes. One did. I sought correlation which is a probabilistic, not absolute, determination. Your poor reading comprehension didn't allow you to understand that either.
(4) Unproven assertion. You have shown data for racial disparity but have not done any work to clearly show how the disparity tracks to political control. If you could, you would clearly show that. You have done little beside barf out pictures and do victory dances. Like Dunning-Kruger poster children always do when over their heads.
(5) Grammar smack with a side of Strawman. More fail. You ignored my actual definition of "dystopian hole" and want to subs ute your own. off. I will define it as "being below US average in infant mortality, overall life expectency, and high school attainment". SUCK IT, that is the term I am going to use for that, if you don't like it, take it up with DarrinS, I borrowed it from him. You won't, because you tend to act in dishonest, hypocritical ways. Happy to amend that if you grow a pair, but am not holding my breath.
Meh, I'll stop there. I still need to finish running the regression analysis, but that will have to wait.
White liberals don’t give any more of a about black people than MAGA freaks do. There is sort of a transactional relationship, dating from the Civil Rights era, where certain black leaders serve as an ersatz priestly class. White liberals, seeking moral credit as a status symbol to distinguish themselves from white trash, approach black opinion leaders for a blessing as “not racist.”
Certain leftist leaders (academics, etc.), having figured this out, have seized control of the discourse, and raised the price of that blessing by demanding ever more radical policies. Since white liberals never actually associate with real-life black people who don’t actually believe in any of these radical policies, this ruse works. Unfortunately, having failed to realize that bull moral posturing is the essential cultural feature of educated white Americans, these leftists remain frustrated that white lip service rarely translates into a commitment to do anything. Because, they don’t actually give a about black people.
Do you give a about black people?
XS has the Dumper snortin' of a Tuesday morn.
XS
tee, hee.
That map showing relative racial disparity has many flaws.
First of all, it shows relative racial disparity, rather than actual black well-being, which is kind of revealing. Real-life human beings are more stressed by their group or tribe having a lower status than surrounding groups/tribes than by lower absolute quality of life. On that map, states in which white people are worse off, black quality of life being equal, will appear. While it is a normal human impulse to compare relative tribal status, I don’t think simply making whites worse off should be the desired policy objective.
2. Second, it is likely that the data behind the map counts most Hispanics as “white.” This would make California, Texas, and Florida appear much bluer than if Blacks were compared only to Anglos.
3. Even controlling for those things, the upper Midwest sticks out. “Progressive” Minneapolis, Madison, Chicago etc. are absolute holes for Black people. Real-life black people would rather live down in the “dystopian,” “racist” South. This is because progressivism is really all about protecting the status of the educated white tribe, not about liberating anybody else from anything.
I most certainly do. The white liberals that I know do.
Vastly more than any MAGA crowd.
Lazy "both sides". smh
Yes. Real-life black people, even northern ones, are pretty similar to southern whites. They think a lot alike. You start spouting Ibram X. Kendi , they’re going to look at you funny.
Voting for the Correct Political Party is not a subs ute for real-life association. In the real world, knowing the right people is more important towards getting ahead than Helpful Occasional Volunteers. In my own life, connections with certain people have mattered more than my own individual achievements (substantial though they may be) or Government Help. It is those sorts of connections with the powerful and privileged that Blacks and Hispanics have a lot fewer of.
This reality, and the dynamic of us white people seeking status instead of having empathy like other humans do, is what underlies the “ Im nOt RaCiSt I hAvE a BlAcK fRiEnD” excuse.
The challenge is that the Black underclass is very angry at white people and therefore very difficult to be around. In my own life, despite my education, affluence, etc., I can last only a few days with my Hispanic family in a pervasively racist environment before it wears me down and I start to want to say something along the lines of, “What the are you staring at, you -eating, cousin- ing cracker?” I imagine I would be a lot more anti-social in that environment if I were black and poor. This is not an excuse for anti-social behavior, which cannot be tolerated.
The similarity between blacks and southern whites is probably why rednecks feel like they have to work so hard to hold up the racial hierarchy.
How old is that map? Looks like 2015 in the link.
From modern times:
I threw out a lot of lists and maps and made some conclusions. Even then I don't consider any of that to be an hypothesis because I didn't actually test any of it. I started looking at the available data and just noticed that the IMR for whites in these red states doesn't e above the noise nationally, nor does the IMR for blacks statewide, however since blacks have such a higher IMR, the clustering of high IMR births in certain areas would naturally elevate the average. It seems then that, although 6.5 or so IMR for whites is higher than some other areas, 13 for blacks is 2x that so should be the concern. Instead though, you wanted to use the average. It's probably not a good idea to ignore disparities and focus instead on averages.
I won't follow your "political control" red herring. I've already shown (and you've admitted) that it is likely more correlation than causation, and you've completely ignored underlying factors. Someone with a real hypothesis wouldn't do that.
Yes, you people Care So Much, and have such Good Intentions, which is why liberal enclaves like Austin, Portland, etc. have solved all racial inequality since 1965, rather than making inequality worse through gentrification, NIMBYism, policy fads, etc.
There’s a part of me that thinks that a place like Minneapolis deserves it. The self-righteous cat lady progressives pay lip service to solving racial problems, Black people believe them and vote in progressives, then either nothing changes or it gets worse, and so Black people start to think maybe the whole system has to be burnt down.
You come on here and start smug threads like this, which are all about how superior you and your kind are to the other kind of white people, in Oklahoma. The kind who can’t maintain roads or whatever.
Caring doesn't always translate to effectiveness. "Caring" is the lowest point of entry.
You can certainly both-sides the effectiveness of right vs. left towards improving inclusion and equality, but I'd disagree with the idea that I care about blacks as little as the guy who blames crime in Chicago for why a black woman in Dallas hit a glass ceiling.
Elevated IMR for Blacks persists regardless of income levels, access to health care, etc. The only thing that appears to help is having Black babies delivered by Black doctors and cared for by Black nurses.
This same issue exists for Indigenous Americans, but not for Mestizo Hispanics or Asians.
I think the root cause is that white people, in general, simply don’t have empathy for nonwhites. It’s a primal, tribal, lizard-brain issue.
Mestizo Hispanics appear to benefit from hybrid vigor — they also have very high life expectancy relative to socioeconomic status.
I doubt Asians have a hard time finding empathetic Asian doctors to deliver their children.
The bourgeois “left” has little problem promoting inclusion and equality as long as it doesn’t cost anything. Civil rights are free. Voting rights are free. LGBT rights are free. Corporations that want to stay in business little choice but to act inclusive when the young labor pool is majority nonwhite.
Closing socioeconomic gaps is expensive. MLK knew this. He made the exact same criticisms of white liberals.
You make different arguments but the same black family has the same outcome regardless, because your social moral posturing happens within your bubble of caring and doesn't reach anyone but your social group.
Universal Pre-K is not free. UBI is not free. Investing in public schools is not free. Those ideas have a multi-racial benefit but are typically resisted in large part to the black welfare queen caricature, for example. Where caring comes in is focusing on those who might genuinely benefit instead of those who might take advantage for reasons we don't like. Caring is a necessary starting point.
Not if I'm the one hiring.
This unwittingly restates my point. The standard of comparison is the other kind of white people, not people in general. White people are the default. The goal is to be superior to the other kind of white people, which places you at the top of the heap. It’s about status. You’re not really letting go of white supremacy.
The left had the oval office and both the house and senate. They didn't do any of that.
It was a direct response to your "leftist whites vs. MAGA" comparison.
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