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    Can't resist the personal attack. smh

    Your go-to when you know, deep down, you are losing badly.

    You will note Texas didn't make the list, dip , so you can't even get the nasty personal attack right.

    Jesus you are dumb.
    Nothing there is a personal attack. It's a fact. If you feel that's a personal attack then you should be doing everything in your power to relocate your family. You're the one saying the area you chose to live and raise your family is a dystopian hole. It's your thread, Sherlock.

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    That is neither a testable hypothesis, nor any suggested metrics for well-being to test for dystopian holes.

    Nor does it explain how those bad black people are skewing wyomings IMR.

    So much fail. You. Suck. So. Bad. At. This.
    The chart you showed has Wyoming at 37. I told you this once already you ing dummy, but you skimmed over it while trying to cipher.

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    Oh lookie at the black population concentration by state. Odd how these same states have the highest black population AND the highest IMR.

    Yeah that makes no sense to a real mathematician.

    So lets start with infant mortality rate. download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...2:%22asc%22%7D
    Life expectancy: download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...2:%22asc%22%7D
    Education, high school graduate percentage downloaded dataset https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...-by-state.html

    Took an average from all states for each metric. Any state with a stat below average was put into the running for that stat.

    The following states were below average on all three, IMR, life-expectancy, and high school graduation rate:

    Alabama
    Arkansas
    Georgia
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    Missouri

    Nevada
    North Carolina
    Oklahoma
    South Carolina
    Tennessee
    West Virginia

    These states meet the definition of "dystopian holes", i.e. lower than average in education, infant mortality and life expectency.

    Soooo next step. To determine control of state government of each of those states. Two out of three Executive, house, senage at state level.


    So why would Delaware and Maryland be stuck in there? Oh I know, they too have a high IMR

    And Blacks in Mississippi don't have the highest IMR in the country. Not even close.

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    Black life expectancy is still the same. Population doesn't matter here, idiot

    The point isn't to show who's better or worse here as far as states, but the disparity between black and white life expectancies. If you're going to advertise your life expectancy numbers, and you're not ing out the disparity, you're only advertising to whites.
    For these states, race population size does matter.

    They have a history of bad data, especially of mortality of races other than white. See infant mortality N/As for these states by race below:

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...2:%22asc%22%7D

    A 2013-14 ranking with better life expectancy data for African Americans shows a different picture. Am listing top states where African American life expectancy is 75 or better (i.e., at least 1/2 a year close to the overall average life expectancy of African Americans in US - 75.54). Note this ranking only has 37 states and DC because data fidelity issues associated with those missing states.

    LIFE EXPECTANCY
    AFRICAN AMERICAN
    State---Years
    1.Minnesota---79.72
    2.Massachusetts---78.81
    3.Connecticut---77.78
    4.Washington---77.53
    5.New York---77.42
    6.Oregon---77.20
    7.Colorado---76.68
    8.Arizona---76.46
    9.Nevada---75.91
    10.Florida---75.84
    11.New Jersey---75.49
    12.Maryland---75.48
    13.Delaware---75.40
    14.Iowa---75.28
    15.Virginia---75.28
    16.California---75.08

    With exception of DC, states with higher African American longevity are blue states. Red states were at bottom on longevity for African Americans. There was a 7 years longevity difference between lowest red state and highest blue state for African Americans.

    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/...rican-american

    There is also date for white Americans.

    Blue states also are good for white American longevity, red states, not so much (bottom 10 were red states).
    LIFE EXPECTANCY
    WHITE AMERICAN
    State---Years
    1. Wash DC---84.29 (Great to be rich and white in DC)
    2. Minnesota---81.23
    3. Connecticut---81.04
    4. New York---80.47
    5. South Dakota---80.44
    6. Massachusetts---80.40
    7. Hawaii---80.37
    8. Vermont---80.35
    9. Wisconsin---80.31
    10. New Jersey---80.30
    11. Colorado---80.24
    12. North Dakota---80.20
    13. New Hampshire---80.15
    14. Utah---80.10
    15. Nebraska---79.99
    16. California---79.83

    Note that for white Americans that data includes 50 states plus DC. There was a 9 year longevity difference between lowest red state versus highest blue state for white Americans.

    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/...pectancy-white

    As an aside, there is data in site on median state incomes. States that are at bottom median income list are red states.

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    "life expectancy"



    Your argument:

    RG is wrong when he says these red states do poorly on average. It is really the black people in these red states that do so poorly that is dragging down the average.

    Let's roll with that.

    Why are Republican led states so closely correlated to poor black well being. Do tell.

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    Your argument:

    RG is wrong when he says these red states do poorly on average. It is really the black people in these red states that do so poorly that is dragging down the average.

    Let's roll with that.

    Why are Republican led states so closely correlated to poor black well being. Do tell.
    There ya are, RG; back to the RG I know and love.

    RG

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    Your argument:

    RG is wrong when he says these red states do poorly on average. It is really the black people in these red states that do so poorly that is dragging down the average. Wrong. It's the fact you ignore even higher black IMR in northern states in favor of the average. If 6.5 IMR is "dystopian", what is 13 IMR?

    Let's roll with that.

    Why are Republican led states so closely correlated to poor black well being. Do tell.Actually I've already shown that the blue states have higher black IMR and higher racial inequalities. You keep getting it wrong.
    This false narrative you keep pushing has been debunked several times in this thread. You keep zooming right past it to repeat the same re ed, false claims.

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    For these states, race population size does matter.

    They have a history of bad data, especially of mortality of races other than white. See infant mortality N/As for these states by race below:

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...2:%22asc%22%7D
    Bad data has nothing to do with population. There are other sites that do have that information. Race is captured on birth and death certs, and somehow you were ok with Wyoming's data.
    A 2013-14 ranking with better life expectancy data for African Americans shows a different picture. Am listing top states where African American life expectancy is 75 or better (i.e., at least 1/2 a year close to the overall average life expectancy of African Americans in US - 75.54). Note this ranking only has 37 states and DC because data fidelity issues associated with those missing states.
    Too bad we're not in 2013-2014.
    LIFE EXPECTANCY
    AFRICAN AMERICAN
    State---Years
    1.Minnesota---79.72
    2.Massachusetts---78.81
    3.Connecticut---77.78
    4.Washington---77.53
    5.New York---77.42
    6.Oregon---77.20
    7.Colorado---76.68
    8.Arizona---76.46
    9.Nevada---75.91
    10.Florida---75.84
    11.New Jersey---75.49
    12.Maryland---75.48
    13.Delaware---75.40
    14.Iowa---75.28
    15.Virginia---75.28
    16.California---75.08

    With exception of DC, states with higher African American longevity are blue states. Red states were at bottom on longevity for African Americans. There was a 7 years longevity difference between lowest red state and highest blue state for African Americans.

    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/...rican-american

    There is also date for white Americans.

    Blue states also are good for white American longevity, red states, not so much (bottom 10 were red states).
    LIFE EXPECTANCY
    WHITE AMERICAN
    State---Years
    1. Wash DC---84.29 (Great to be rich and white in DC) 16 year discrepancy between white and black life expectancy
    2. Minnesota---81.23
    3. Connecticut---81.04
    4. New York---80.47
    5. South Dakota---80.44
    6. Massachusetts---80.40
    7. Hawaii---80.37
    8. Vermont---80.35
    9. Wisconsin---80.31
    10. New Jersey---80.30
    11. Colorado---80.24
    12. North Dakota---80.20
    13. New Hampshire---80.15
    14. Utah---80.10
    15. Nebraska---79.99
    16. California---79.83

    Note that for white Americans that data includes 50 states plus DC. There was a 9 year longevity difference between lowest red state versus highest blue state for white Americans.

    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/...pectancy-white

    As an aside, there is data in site on median state incomes. States that are at bottom median income list are red states.


    Now look at disparities. The averages don't capture the inequalities and disparities. You see the greatest disparities are in the blue states, either by political design or by geographical and sociological outcome. RG wants to say these issues are political, but if that's true then politics in these blue states is only favoring the white man. In the red states, if it's ing people, it's ing all races.

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    This false narrative you keep pushing has been debunked several times in this thread. You keep zooming right past it to repeat the same re ed, false claims.
    Then clearly, and briefly explain how exactly anything I have posted has been debunked?

    jesus ing christ on a stick you are worse than Cosmored.

    The only thing missing is 99 posts about a flapping jacket.

    You have in no way debunked a goddman thing. Saying you have done a thing is different than claiming you have done a thing.


    explain clearly or admit you are talking out of your ass.

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    Bad data has nothing to do with population. There are other sites that do have that information. Race is captured on birth and death certs, and somehow you were ok with Wyoming's data.

    Too bad we're not in 2013-2014.




    Now look at disparities. The averages don't capture the inequalities and disparities. You see the greatest disparities are in the blue states, either by political design or by geographical and sociological outcome. RG wants to say these issues are political, but if that's true then politics in these blue states is only favoring the white man. In the red states, if it's ing people, it's ing all races.
    Bad data from these states matter.

    If African American infant mortality information is not available, the average longevity of African Americans in the state will increase.

    Plus, the chart you use has the average US male life expectancy at under 70 instead of 77.

    You with the bad data, again.

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    in the red states, if it's ing people, it's ing all races.

    that is exactly the point I have been making.

    you.
    dumb.
    ass.

    your red herring argument is pure sophistry.


    Argument:

    Red states suck, because they fail at many common measures of well-being.

    DMC red herring:

    WHAT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... ARGLE BARGLE... AVERAGES.... BARGLE BARGLE... IMR....

    What does red herring mean? A red herring is a tool used in argument. The red herring fallacy causes a distraction in n argument that draws attention off-topic.

    Because of this, a red herring is a type of logical fallacy. A red herring is a way for a speaker to win an argument by bringing up a matter that is irrelevant to the main issue.

    Rough outline of a red herring:

    Topic A is argued
    Speaker brings up Topic B, irrelevant to Topic A
    Topic A is either ignored or forgotten because Topic B takes precedence
    Topic A: Red states are bad for their residents.
    DMC brings up Topic B, Black people suffer from increased infant mortality rates

    smh.

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    In all but two of those states, both whites and blacks did worse than the national average, which is my point.

    So let's overlay your graphic with control of the state government.

    Control = majority of legislature, both houses, same metric as I used before for cross indexing.

    Wisconsin R
    Oklahoma R
    Arkansas R
    Iowa R
    Indiana R
    North Carolina R
    Kansas R
    South Carolina R
    Tennessee R
    Georgia R
    Louisiana R
    Florida R
    Mississippi. R


    Delaware D
    Illinois D



    white, black, whatever. Look for human misery... and there is almost a certainty that there are Republicans in charge of writing laws.

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    LMAO All RandomPussy and Effeminate-man do is REeEeEeEeeeeeEEeee!

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    that is exactly the point I have been making.

    you.
    dumb.
    ass.

    your red herring argument is pure sophistry.


    Argument:

    Red states suck, because they fail at many common measures of well-being.

    DMC red herring:

    WHAT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... ARGLE BARGLE... AVERAGES.... BARGLE BARGLE... IMR....



    Topic A: Red states are bad for their residents.
    DMC brings up Topic B, Black people suffer from increased infant mortality rates

    smh.
    DMCRT backs into agreeing with you

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    In all but two of those states, both whites and blacks did worse than the national average, which is my point.

    So let's overlay your graphic with control of the state government.

    Control = majority of legislature, both houses, same metric as I used before for cross indexing.

    Wisconsin R
    Oklahoma R
    Arkansas R
    Iowa R
    Indiana R
    North Carolina R
    Kansas R
    South Carolina R
    Tennessee R
    Georgia R
    Louisiana R
    Florida R
    Mississippi. R


    Delaware D
    Illinois D



    white, black, whatever. Look for human misery... and there is almost a certainty that there are Republicans in charge of writing laws.
    Racial disparity isn't a "whatever".

    Pretty sure in all instances white men are writing the laws.

    Which states did blacks do better than the national average?

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    that is exactly the point I have been making.

    you.
    dumb.
    ass.

    your red herring argument is pure sophistry.


    Argument:

    Red states suck, because they fail at many common measures of well-being.

    DMC red herring:

    WHAT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... ARGLE BARGLE... AVERAGES.... BARGLE BARGLE... IMR....



    Topic A: Red states are bad for their residents.
    DMC brings up Topic B, Black people suffer from increased infant mortality rates

    smh.
    None of these states are prisons. People are free to come and go. Blacks fare better in Southern states. You're focused only on whites. This is what I've said since the start. The most disgusting disparity is in DC, something you casually brush aside. You brush aside any dem controlled regions where blacks fare worse, because you're looking for whatever metric you can use to try for a "w" after your silly ass thread was started.

    I didn't say whites fared worse, I said if they fared worse, then it's the same for all races. It's not discriminatory. Discrimination and inequality are hallmarks of this dystopian society you mentioned in the thread le.

    You've made it abundantly clear that you couldn't give 2 s about black people. Stop the moral posturing as if you do. You're only trying to impress your white friends.

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    DMCRT realizes his up and tries to rage his way out of it

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    white, black, whatever. Look for human misery... and there is almost a certainty that there are Republicans in charge of writing laws.
    Racial disparity isn't a "whatever".

    Pretty sure in all instances white men are writing the laws.

    Which states did blacks do better than the national average?
    ... and there is the point where it finally sinks in.

    Red herring harder.

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    Since Mississippi became a U.S. state, it has had 64 governors, including 50 Democrats, 7 Republicans and 7 from other parties. ... 10 governors (David Holmes, Gerard Brandon, Charles Lynch, John A. Quitman, John J. Pettus, Adelbert Ames, John Marshall Stone, Theodore G.

    Dems had the con the longest, not a lot of progress there.

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    ... and there is the point where it finally sinks in.

    Red herring harder.
    There's human misery in northern states unless you consider black misery to be subhuman.

    I noticed you stopped talking about Wyoming

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    Nothing there is a personal attack. It's a fact. If you feel that's a personal attack then you should be doing everything in your power to relocate your family. You're the one saying the area you chose to live [Texas-RG] and raise your family is a dystopian hole. It's your thread, Sherlock.
    Alabama red
    Arkansas red
    Georgia red
    Mississippi red
    Missouri red
    Oklahoma red
    South Carolina red
    Tennessee red
    West Virginia red
    North Carolina red
    Kentucky red
    Louisiana red


    Nevada Blue
    Can't even do cir stantial ad hominem right.

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    Nothing there is a personal attack. It's a fact. If you feel that's a personal attack then you should be doing everything in your power to relocate your family. You're the one saying the area you chose to live and raise your family is a dystopian hole. It's your thread, Sherlock.
    But hey, let's say that Texas was on the list.

    Here is your logical fallacy, one you make all the ing time, because you are a moron:

    Appeal to Hypocrisy
    This is also known as Tu quoque.

    This is the fallacy where what one person says something that appears out of character according to another person's view of him, therefore it is rejected by that other person.

    Person A makes claim C.
    Person A engages in an activity that contradicts claim C.
    Therefore claim C is false.
    Even if I chose to remain in a dystopian hole, it would still meet that defin-tion, and THEREFORE still almost certainly be a state run on failed Republican policies.

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    Can't even do cir stantial ad hominem right.
    Texas is a red state. You can pretend it's not, but you cherry pick your moments to call the state red. Cherry picking is the 1st sign of non-scientific, bias and outcome driven "research".

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    But hey, let's say that Texas was on the list.

    Here is your logical fallacy, one you make all the ing time, because you are a moron:
    You're the one here defending your decision to live in Texas by saying Texas doesn't qualify as a red state. You obviously think the point has merit. I wasn't using the comment to prove or disprove your claim, only to say you don't actually believe it.

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