why are super red states dystopian holes?

[DMC]

The chart you showed is about racial disparity in prisons but it is comparison of apples to oranges based on the total number of prisoners. Red states are incarceration oriented compared to blue states.

The overall number of prisoners in most blue states (in this case, I sampled the NE states with the "higher disparity") is a tiny fraction of prisoners of that in most red state prisons. This means the number of black prisoners in blue states is not in the same league as those incarcerated in most red states in terms of volume.

As example of volume disparity and a bad case scenario for VT, if VT (1.4% of VT population is black) had a 60% black prisoner population, it would involve 682 persons. As a best case scenario for MS, if MS had a 38% black prisoner population (38% of MS population is black) than you would have 7,187 black prisoners. For MS to have only 682 black prisoners like VT, it would require that under 4% of the prisoners be black.

Also, as you have said before, I provided 2022 data, and this new chart you show is 2010 data. MS in 2022 has prison population of 18,915 in comparison to MS's 6,142 prison population of 2010.

You brought the oranges. I was referring to disparity in the image you responded to, not total incarcerations. Much of that is going to be population based but fairness of the judicial system is what's in question, racism. Not how strictly laws are enforced. How do you like them apples?

[DMC]

As example of volume disparity and a worst case scenario for VT, if VT (1.4% of VT population is black) had a 100% black prisoner population, it would involve 1,137 persons. As a best case scenario for MS, if MS had a 38% black prisoner population (38% of MS population is black) than you would have 7,187 black prisoners. For MS to have only 1,137 black prisoners like VT worst case, it would require that under 6.2% of the prisoners be black.

That's gibberish.

I showed you the disparity, it's based on population densities of races.

[Ef-man]

You brought the oranges. I was referring to disparity in the image you responded to, not total incarcerations. Much of that is going to be population based but fairness of the judicial system is what's in question, racism. Not how strictly laws are enforced. How do you like them apples?

Low prison densities (blue states) and high prison densities (red states). Big difference. You are just lying if you cannot see that difference.

Comparing two is idiotic but that is just you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's amusing watching the usual idiot make the argument that boils down to "yeah but white people are better off than black people" as their central argument.

[DMC]

Low prison densities (blue states) and high prison densities (red states). Big difference. You are just lying if you cannot see that difference.

Comparing two is idiotic but that is just you.

Who cares about prison densities? Blacks are incarcerated at a rate of 10:1 over whites.

[DMC]

It's amusing watching the usual idiot make the argument that boils down to "yeah but white people are better off than black people" as their central argument.

Says the white guy born on 3rd base, from an all white community.

[Ef-man]

Who cares about prison densities? Blacks are incarcerated at a rate of 10:1 over whites.

Low density prison states have stricter sentencing standard than high density states. They have lower crime rates than red states.

A district attorney in these states will have no trouble in getting a person transporting, say, 100lbs of MJ a heavy prison sentence for first time offense.

In a high crime/high prison density state, a district attorney will not be interested in prosecuting and recommend probation for first time offender transporting 100lbs of MJ. They have bigger fish to fry.

[Ef-man]

But back to the theme of thread, below is a ranking of crime index that affirms red states as being dystopian.

Rank Crime Index ▲ State / Population
1. 950 Vermont / 626,358
2. 956 New Hampshire / 1,321,069
3. 985 North Dakota / 704,925
4. 1,017 Maine / 1,328,535
5. 1,042 South Dakota / 834,708
6. 1,068 Idaho / 1,599,464
7. 1,125 Virginia / 8,185,131
8. 1,136 Wyoming / 575,251
9. 1,171 Connecticut / 3,592,053
10. 1,180 New Jersey / 8,874,374
11. 1,194 New York / 19,594,330
12. 1,203 Iowa / 3,078,116
13. 1,227 Wisconsin / 5,724,692
14. 1,230 Montana / 1,006,370
15. 1,235 West Virginia / 1,853,881
16. 1,268 Rhode Island / 1,053,252
17. 1,298 Minnesota / 5,383,661
18. 1,305 Kentucky / 4,383,272
19. 1,335 Pennsylvania / 12,758,729
20. 1,368 Massachusetts / 6,657,291
21. 1,390 Nebraska / 1,855,617
22. 1,405 Utah / 2,858,111
23. 1,497 Oregon / 3,900,343
24. 1,526 Colorado / 5,197,580
25. 1,584 Mississippi / 2,984,345
26. 1,599 Indiana / 6,542,411
27. 1,608 Hawaii / 1,392,704
28. 1,616 Illinois / 12,868,747
29. 1,670 Kansas / 2,882,946
30. 1,691 Ohio / 11,560,380
31. 1,701 California / 38,066,920
32. 1,757 Michigan / 9,889,024
33. 1,855 Washington / 6,899,123
34. 1,858 Missouri / 6,028,076
35. 1,869 North Carolina / 9,750,405
36. 1,884 Maryland / 5,887,776
37. 1,911 Georgia / 9,907,756
38. 1,938 Oklahoma / 3,818,851
39. 1,941 Alabama / 4,817,678
40. 1,962 Texas / 26,092,033
41. 1,974 Delaware / 917,060
42. 1,986 Alaska / 728,300
43. 2,025 Arizona / 6,561,516
44. 2,065 Arkansas / 2,947,036
45. 2,095 Florida / 19,361,792
46. 2,167 Louisiana / 4,601,049
47. 2,180 Nevada / 2,761,584
48. 2,194 Tennessee / 6,451,365
49. 2,241 New Mexico / 2,080,085
50. 2,253 South Carolina / 4,727,273

[DMC]

Low density prison states have stricter sentencing standard than high density states. They have lower crime rates than red states.

But only black people commit the crimes obviously.

A district attorney in these states will have no trouble in getting a person transporting, say, 100lbs of MJ a heavy prison sentence for first time offense.

Which is only black people.

In a high crime/high prison density state, a district attorney will not be interested in prosecuting and recommend probation for first time offender transporting 100lbs of MJ. They have bigger fish to fry.

What's your point exactly? What does this have to do with racial disparity?

[DMC]

But back to the theme of thread, below is a ranking of crime index that affirms red states as being dystopian.

Rank Crime Index ▲ State / Population
1. 950 Vermont / 626,358
2. 956 New Hampshire / 1,321,069
3. 985 North Dakota / 704,925
4. 1,017 Maine / 1,328,535
5. 1,042 South Dakota / 834,708
6. 1,068 Idaho / 1,599,464
7. 1,125 Virginia / 8,185,131
8. 1,136 Wyoming / 575,251
9. 1,171 Connecticut / 3,592,053
10. 1,180 New Jersey / 8,874,374
11. 1,194 New York / 19,594,330
12. 1,203 Iowa / 3,078,116
13. 1,227 Wisconsin / 5,724,692
14. 1,230 Montana / 1,006,370
15. 1,235 West Virginia / 1,853,881
16. 1,268 Rhode Island / 1,053,252
17. 1,298 Minnesota / 5,383,661
18. 1,305 Kentucky / 4,383,272
19. 1,335 Pennsylvania / 12,758,729
20. 1,368 Massachusetts / 6,657,291
21. 1,390 Nebraska / 1,855,617
22. 1,405 Utah / 2,858,111
23. 1,497 Oregon / 3,900,343
24. 1,526 Colorado / 5,197,580
25. 1,584 Mississippi / 2,984,345
26. 1,599 Indiana / 6,542,411
27. 1,608 Hawaii / 1,392,704
28. 1,616 Illinois / 12,868,747
29. 1,670 Kansas / 2,882,946
30. 1,691 Ohio / 11,560,380
31. 1,701 California / 38,066,920
32. 1,757 Michigan / 9,889,024
33. 1,855 Washington / 6,899,123
34. 1,858 Missouri / 6,028,076
35. 1,869 North Carolina / 9,750,405
36. 1,884 Maryland / 5,887,776
37. 1,911 Georgia / 9,907,756
38. 1,938 Oklahoma / 3,818,851
39. 1,941 Alabama / 4,817,678
40. 1,962 Texas / 26,092,033
41. 1,974 Delaware / 917,060
42. 1,986 Alaska / 728,300
43. 2,025 Arizona / 6,561,516
44. 2,065 Arkansas / 2,947,036
45. 2,095 Florida / 19,361,792
46. 2,167 Louisiana / 4,601,049
47. 2,180 Nevada / 2,761,584
48. 2,194 Tennessee / 6,451,365
49. 2,241 New Mexico / 2,080,085
50. 2,253 South Carolina / 4,727,273

You're off in left field.

[Ef-man]

You're off in left field.

You are changing the topic.

[Ef-man]

But only black people commit the crimes obviously.

Which is only black people.

What's your point exactly? What does this have to do with racial disparity?

OK, we have moved on from topic of red states being dystopian, to you ignoring the thread topic and going into nuh uh, racial disparity.

My point is still, it does not take much to move percentages in low prison density states.

As to why some blacks get incarcerated and impact the percentages, in VT, black people over 14 times more likely to be defendants in a felony drug case than white people each year from 2014 to 2019 per a Council of State Governments report.

And back to my previous point on sentencing, the state needs to work on bringing more consistency in charging and plea-bargaining decisions in state’s attorneys’ offices.

Now your turn to explain away racial disparity in high prison density red states.

[DMC]

OK, we have moved on from topic of red states being dystopian, to you ignoring the thread topic and going into nuh uh, racial disparity.

My point is still, it does not take much to move percentages in low prison density states.

As to why some blacks get incarcerated and impact the percentages, in VT, black people over 14 times more likely to be defendants in a felony drug case than white people each year from 2014 to 2019 per a Council of State Governments report.

And back to my previous point on sentencing, the state needs to work on bringing more consistency in charging and plea-bargaining decisions in state’s attorneys’ offices.

Now your turn to explain away racial disparity in high prison density red states.

I showed you what dystopian was. I showed RG that the things he mentioned in the OP were worse in Dem states or they weren't related to red/blue. You're late to the party. This was settled, your side lost.

[HemisfairArena]

OK, we have moved on from topic of red states being dystopian, to you ignoring the thread topic and going into nuh uh, racial disparity.

My point is still, it does not take much to move percentages in low prison density states.

As to why some blacks get incarcerated and impact the percentages, in VT, black people over 14 times more likely to be defendants in a felony drug case than white people each year from 2014 to 2019 per a Council of State Governments report.

And back to my previous point on sentencing, the state needs to work on bringing more consistency in charging and plea-bargaining decisions in state’s attorneys’ offices.

Now your turn to explain away racial disparity in high prison density red states.

Sounds about right since a black person is probably 14 times more likely to be a drug dealer than a white person,,,

[Ef-man]

I showed you what dystopian was. I showed RG that the things he mentioned in the OP were worse in Dem states or they weren't related to red/blue. You're late to the party. This was settled, your side lost.

Crying victory after crying racial disparity in a thread on dystopian states does not settle anything.

That topic is just a distraction as you have nothing.

But go ahead, explain away the racial disparity of black prisoners in Florida (a high density prison state).

This is not going away and you have already used up the lame ass excuse “I do not have to explain anything.”

Chop, chop.

[DMC]

Crying victory after crying racial disparity in a thread on dystopian states does not settle anything.

That topic is just a distraction as you have nothing.

But go ahead, explain away the racial disparity of black prisoners in Florida (a high density prison state).

This is not going away and you have already used up the lame ass excuse “I do not have to explain anything.”

Chop, chop.

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Just in case anyone is wondering where we are in this process.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC triggered.

[Ef-man]

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Just in case anyone is wondering where we are in this process.

Fat-handed poster’s lame cries of victory are a sure sign he is unable to explain Florida’s racial disparity in prisons.

Chop, chop and stop deflecting.

[DMC]

Fat-handed poster’s lame cries of victory are a sure sign he is unable to explain Florida’s racial disparity in prisons.

Chop, chop and stop deflecting.

N.J. continues to have worst racial disparities nationwide in its prisons, report says

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/10/nj-c...port-says.html


Key findings

• Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons at nearly 5 times the rate of white Americans.
• Nationally, one in 81 Black adults in the U.S. is serving time in state prison. Wisconsin leads the nation in Black imprisonment rates; one of every 36 Black Wisconsinites is in prison.
• In 12 states, more than half the prison population is Black: Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia.
• Seven states maintain a Black/white disparity larger than 9 to 1: California, Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Wisconsin.
• Latinx individuals are incarcerated in state prisons at a rate that is 1.3 times the incarceration rate of whites. Ethnic disparities are highest in Massachusetts, which reports an ethnic differential of 4.1:1.

Looks like the moral left has some work to do on equality.

[Ef-man]

N.J. continues to have worst racial disparities nationwide in its prisons, report says

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/10/nj-c...port-says.html


Key findings

• Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons at nearly 5 times the rate of white Americans.
• Nationally, one in 81 Black adults in the U.S. is serving time in state prison. Wisconsin leads the nation in Black imprisonment rates; one of every 36 Black Wisconsinites is in prison.
• In 12 states, more than half the prison population is Black: Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia.
• Seven states maintain a Black/white disparity larger than 9 to 1: California, Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Wisconsin.
• Latinx individuals are incarcerated in state prisons at a rate that is 1.3 times the incarceration rate of whites. Ethnic disparities are highest in Massachusetts, which reports an ethnic differential of 4.1:1.

Keep editing and blathering all you want but where is the proof defending Florida’s racial disparity?

Chop, chop.

[Thread]

Keep editing and blathering all you want but where is the proof defending Florida’s racial disparity?

Chop, chop.

...I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Ef-man]

...I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

So yadayadayadayada, take your meds.

[Thread]

So yadayadayadayada, take your meds.

Got your goat!

LMVICTORIOUSAO!!!

[Ef-man]

Got your goat!

LMVICTORIOUSAO!!!

????

You responded to my post, did it offend you or hurt your feelings? Maybe try staying in soccer forum instead.

Fat-hands is still lashing out with whataboutisms and will not defend Florida ‘s racial disparity issue.

Just shows that red states really are dystopian.

Oh, Katie-girl says, take your meds.

[HemisfairArena]

Keep editing and blathering all you want but where is the proof defending Florida’s racial disparity?

Chop, chop.

I would say the stats can be misleading as in repeat offenders and parole violators. I would be interested to see who has more parole violations,,,,blacks or whites. This is from prison policy.org

• Florida failed to utilize one of the most obvious, and easiest, tools for reducing the prison population — stopping prison admissions for technical violations of probation and parole (which are not crimes).