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    The highlights show what the anti-Pop folks stereotype as a player Pop doesn't like.

    I see a lot of dunks and threes, he needs to get over himself.

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    What’s the drop off between this guy and Tari Eason? I think i like Easons shooting potential, but beyond that don’t know the key difference. They both are the same age.
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    Tari is a superb on defense. Keegan is a more natural shooter.

    I like Tari’s handles better because he dribbles the ball like a wing whereas Keegan goes where he needs to go with the ball and that’s it. Because of this, I think Tari’s upside is higher (but lower floor).

    from interviews and such, Keegan seems like your typical Spur. Tari is a bit abrasive, but does seem like he’s a go-getter.

    For fast breaks, Keegan is your guy. He will excel there and will make the Spurs fun as to watch.

    if you want to see more defense, Tari is your guy. If he has his head screwed on straight, he could be the best two way player of the draft.

    i don’t think theres much of a drop off. You can’t go wrong with either.

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    I am down on guys listed as exclusive 4 in college. Almost all of them tend to play the backup small ball 5 in the NBA. Just a hard position to fill skill wise. Tend to think getting a 225+ lbs SF is a better investment.
    I have the same issue with Keegan Murray among other players of this ilk. Is he really a 4 on the NBA level? He's not very fluid, uses more strength than skill against college players, has slower legs, not much of a switch defender, handles are alright but not good, shooting is alright but not good, etc. If he can survive as a modern 4 that'd be great but if he's a small ball 5 then his value drops significantly.

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    Tari is a superb on defense. Keegan is a more natural shooter.

    I like Tari’s handles better because he dribbles the ball like a wing whereas Keegan goes where he needs to go with the ball and that’s it. Because of this, I think Tari’s upside is higher (but lower floor).

    from interviews and such, Keegan seems like your typical Spur. Tari is a bit abrasive, but does seem like he’s a go-getter.

    For fast breaks, Keegan is your guy. He will excel there and will make the Spurs fun as to watch.

    if you want to see more defense, Tari is your guy. If he has his head screwed on straight, he could be the best two way player of the draft.

    i don’t think theres much of a drop off. You can’t go wrong with either.
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    I have the same issue with Keegan Murray among other players of this ilk. Is he really a 4 on the NBA level? He's not very fluid, uses more strength than skill against college players, has slower legs, not much of a switch defender, handles are alright but not good, shooting is alright but not good, etc. If he can survive as a modern 4 that'd be great but if he's a small ball 5 then his value drops significantly.
    I don't totally agree, i don't see Murray using his strenght. He's more a guy who uses his IQ and skills. The concern for me is his size, he's a little bit short for a PF, tough not that much in today's NBA.

    Imo he'll never be a small ball 5 regularly.

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    I am down on guys listed as exclusive 4 in college. Almost all of them tend to play the backup small ball 5 in the NBA. Just a hard position to fill skill wise. Tend to think getting a 225+ lbs SF is a better investment.
    Don’t disagree, but looks like this guy has the range at least to be more versatile on offense than the mold your describing. Will come down to their ability to guard multiple positions on D.

    That said, I’m also partial to investing the higher pick on a legit SF prospect and my guy is Griffin Jr.

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    Tari is a superb on defense. Keegan is a more natural shooter.

    I like Tari’s handles better because he dribbles the ball like a wing whereas Keegan goes where he needs to go with the ball and that’s it. Because of this, I think Tari’s upside is higher (but lower floor).

    from interviews and such, Keegan seems like your typical Spur. Tari is a bit abrasive, but does seem like he’s a go-getter.

    For fast breaks, Keegan is your guy. He will excel there and will make the Spurs fun as to watch.

    if you want to see more defense, Tari is your guy. If he has his head screwed on straight, he could be the best two way player of the draft.

    i don’t think theres much of a drop off. You can’t go wrong with either.
    I agree with you on the differencies

    One other thing, i see Eason playing more like a 3 and Murray like a 4. I can see Eason developing in some sort of PF, energetic, can defend, shoot is in progress... ( i don't see him playing in the post) but i don't see Murrray developing as a SF.

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    The template is there for Tari. I like his potential more to be a Kuminga stopper (or whoever the next big thing for the big wing position). I don’t really see shut down defense in Keegan’s future, but maybe I’m wrong. The Spurs can’t continue letting guys play bully ball against them. I think Tari would be able to go toe to toe one day against the likes of Paul George, Durant, etc.

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    Here’s that abrasiveness I was talking about…

    dude interrupted his own teammate and said, “what he’s trying to say is…”

    talk about rude and socially awkward

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    Near the end of this clip…

    Tari’s teammate Xavier: “I feel like we are a top tier team when fully healthy.”

    Tari butts in and says, “Top five” and looks over at Xavier and Xavier ignores him

    cringe

    if Tari gets drafted, at least we’ll get some entertainment from his interviews

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    he's definitely my top pick if we fall out of the top 4. The only thing is he's an offball player, but not really an iso scorer. Would fit our playing style, but ideally we need somebody who can get buckets in isolation
    Too bad DeRozan is signed with the Bulls for a couple more years. He'd be perfect. </blue font>

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    I saw one video clip where Tari mentioned a quote his mother would tell him and the guys started to crack up and then said that Quote he mentioned is a Quote in there gym. Lol

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    I saw one video clip where Tari mentioned a quote his mother would tell him and the guys started to crack up and then said that Quote he mentioned is a Quote in there gym. Lol

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    Jordan was the GOAT, but as a GM, he’s strictly a bench scrub.
    i didn’t mean to co-sign your statement.

    michael Jordan is the majority (90%) owner of the Charlotte Hornets not the GM. Mitch Kupchak is the GM…..

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    Not a fan at all of Jalen Duren…… he (along with Emoni Bates) seems like your typical guy who had a growth spurt in high school and dominated because he was bigger, faster and stronger than most of the compe ion.

    i Really like Eason, Keagan Murray, Sochan, and Jovic if we pick in the 6-12 area of this draft.

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    Here’s that abrasiveness I was talking about…

    dude interrupted his own teammate and said, “what he’s trying to say is…”

    talk about rude and socially awkward
    that wasn’t even as bad as you made it out to be……

    his teammate was beating around the bush and making the question harder to answer than it was. Dude told the truth that the team they played was under matched versus them. Lmao.

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    The template is there for Tari. I like his potential more to be a Kuminga stopper (or whoever the next big thing for the big wing position). I don’t really see shut down defense in Keegan’s future, but maybe I’m wrong. The Spurs can’t continue letting guys play bully ball against them. I think Tari would be able to go toe to toe one day against the likes of Paul George, Durant, etc.

    Have you watched him play much? He's a good player, no doubt, and I think he can legitimately guard 3 positions. But he's a me-first guy on offense. He has too many TO's and too few AST's because of it.

    There is something about him that reminds me of SJax. Size, build, at ude. I don't mind "abrasiveness" in interviews. But a me-first guy better be really good. And like SJax, I think his 3P% will always be just a little shy of what you covet for the modern game. Partly because of his stroke, and partly because the way he plays makes for bad decisions. Some guys outgrow, but with him my gut says it's baked into his personality.

    He could possibly have a ceiling something like SJax, and I would look a little less god-like for not wanting the Spurs to pick him. But, personally, I'd look elsewhere.

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    Have you watched him play much? He's a good player, no doubt, and I think he can legitimately guard 3 positions. But he's a me-first guy on offense. He has too many TO's and too few AST's because of it.

    There is something about him that reminds me of SJax. Size, build, at ude. I don't mind "abrasiveness" in interviews. But a me-first guy better be really good. And like SJax, I think his 3P% will always be just a little shy of what you covet for the modern game. Partly because of his stroke, and partly because the way he plays makes for bad decisions. Some guys outgrow, but with him my gut says it's baked into his personality.

    He could possibly have a ceiling something like SJax, and I would look a little less god-like for not wanting the Spurs to pick him. But, personally, I'd look elsewhere.
    Have you watched the Spurs play much? A team full of "me-last" guys like the Spurs needs a me-first guy like Tari on offense. I've repeatedly said taking on Tari is a gamble and has a lower floor than others. The thing is, he's a better gamble than many others because of his combination of skill and size. You've got a lot of players in this draft with a lot of size, but their skill is all theoretical. Sure, if they come in and blow everyone away in workouts, then go for it. Until then, there's not many players that could bring what Tari could bring if he meets his potential. This team needs a player with S-Jax's at ude in a bad way.

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    Have you watched the Spurs play much? A team full of "me-last" guys like the Spurs needs a me-first guy like Tari on offense. I've repeatedly said taking on Tari is a gamble and has a lower floor than others. The thing is, he's a better gamble than many others because of his combination of skill and size. You've got a lot of players in this draft with a lot of size, but their skill is all theoretical. Sure, if they come in and blow everyone away in workouts, then go for it. Until then, there's not many players that could bring what Tari could bring if he meets his potential. This team needs a player with S-Jax's at ude in a bad way.
    This is absolutely never how the Spurs will work. I don't know why people say like this, like suddenly they want the Spurs to be the Iverson Sixers. Maybe there's a massive, massive culture change, but this ain't it. Pretending otherwise is nonsense. I'm not even sure Ivey would work in the Spurs culture and not because of character but in play style.

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    Meanwhile, Keegan Murray has 18 of Iowa's first 25 points within eleven minutes, and they're all within the flow of the team's offense. He's shredding OSU. I maintain my Paul Pierce comparisons. Slight differences in position, but their impact is similar.

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    I agree Keegan has a high floor and medium ceilings and Tari has medium floor and potential high ceiling a lot will depend on background and interviews and work out. My concern is that both are small for PF 6’8 one question I have is how much time could you see Tari playing SF?

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    This is absolutely never how the Spurs will work. I don't know why people say like this, like suddenly they want the Spurs to be the Iverson Sixers. Maybe there's a massive, massive culture change, but this ain't it. Pretending otherwise is nonsense. I'm not even sure Ivey would work in the Spurs culture and not because of character but in play style.
    I think what he is getting at is we need some balance on this team. Dejounte (the player) is having to balance too many roles in terms of scoring, distrivuting/playmaking and calling his own card. We need a couple of guys who are a tad more me first in certain situations. The whole roster can feed off of that energy.

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    I think what he is getting at is we need some balance on this team. Dejounte (the player) is having to balance too many roles in terms of scoring, distrivuting/playmaking and calling his own card. We need a couple of guys who are a tad more me first in certain situations. The whole roster can feed off of that energy.
    That's not what he's saying. He's calling for an Allen Iverson player who calls his own number all the time because that's how the team is set.

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    I'd take Keegan over Tari myself. I also see quite a few mocks showing Tari in the late teens to low twenties. I'm guessing that's an at ude/ coachability thing?

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