Jakob Poeltl

[emanueldavidginobili]

Poeltl is playing along side Keldon Johnson. He has no help in the paint whatsoever and theres a clear drop off when he goes to the bench. If we can get an actual athletic PF who can stretch the floor things will be much better. He has to improve on his FT 47% which is ridiculous but there isn't many possible upgrades at the center position right now. Jakob is who he is, he's a finesse player that's why it's important for him to be paired up with an athletic PF not 6'5 stubby KJ. Center isn't even 1 or 2 in terms of position upgrade for me, its a legit 6'7 SF and a PF imo.

[John B]

I like Poeltl a lot, but if you can upgrade, now is the time to do so.

I think the Spurs FO recognizes that, too, since they were attempting to work a deal at the deal to move him last week.

For sure and I would’ve like that PJ Washington and Kai Jones trade. It addresses both PF and Big Man positions, but not to stop there but in the draft and FA come off-season. I like Poeltl coming along, but he’s not going to be the answer going forward unless he miraculously shoots high FT’s. But not only his offense, but his on-man defense is bad, over helping too early, and he’s just going to get pricey. It’s better to s&t him to a team who wants him and get something instead of letting him walk. Because I don’t see the PATFO staying pat on him tbh.

[scott]

Jak is a good, defensive, cheap role playing C. There are a lot of ways to downgrade this position and few ways to upgrade it. Those few ways require luck, or resources, and come at a cost - that’s what makes upgrading Jak less of a priority.

The problem with Jak is that one of his greatest assets will diminish in another year - his relative cheapness that frees up more resources to build around him. Would anyone be surprised if he landed an $18m+ deal? I wouldn’t.

That’s why we should look to move him this summer, he doesn’t fit the timeline.

[RC_Drunkford]

For sure and I would’ve like that PJ Washington and Kai Jones trade. It addresses both PF and Big Man positions, but not to stop there but in the draft and FA come off-season. I like Poeltl coming along, but he’s not going to be the answer going forward unless he miraculously shoots high FT’s. But not only his offense, but his on-man defense is bad, over helping too early, and he’s just going to get pricey. It’s better to s&t him to a team who wants him and get something instead of letting him walk. Because I don’t see the PATFO staying pat on him tbh.

you do that trade and have a hole at Center while starting a mediocre PF in PJ Washington. Kai Jones is a G-Leaguer right now. I much rather draft some PFs in this draft, since that's the deepest position in it.

[Spursfanfromafar]

How Jakob Poeltl has improved this season to be a two- way player - Zach Lowe -

https://www.espn.in/nba/insider/stor...ng-development

Lowe - "Poeltl might be having the most under-the-radar really good season in the league: 13 points, 9 boards, and 3 dimes per game, and the usual airtight defense. A year ago, he was great on defense and maybe a liability on offense against the best teams. Now he's a two-way player. He's daring more of his funky push shots, from longer distances, and has hit a tidy 47% on floaters -- matching his (very bad) free throw percentage. The Spurs are plus-5 per 100 possessions with Poeltl on the floor, and minus-4 when he sits. (They are plus-21 in the 327 minutes Poeltl has played without Dejounte Murray.)"

[Spursfanfromafar]

Poeltl is playing along side Keldon Johnson. He has no help in the paint whatsoever and theres a clear drop off when he goes to the bench. If we can get an actual athletic PF who can stretch the floor things will be much better. He has to improve on his FT 47% which is ridiculous but there isn't many possible upgrades at the center position right now. Jakob is who he is, he's a finesse player that's why it's important for him to be paired up with an athletic PF not 6'5 stubby KJ. Center isn't even 1 or 2 in terms of position upgrade for me, its a legit 6'7 SF and a PF imo.

If the Spurs get very lucky, they can get one of Jalen Smith, Paolo Banchero and perhaps even Chet Holmgren to pair Poeltl. If they are somewhat lucky, maybe Keegan Murray could be had and plugged in to the 4 right away too.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

How Jakob Poeltl has improved this season to be a two- way player - Zach Lowe -

https://www.espn.in/nba/insider/stor...ng-development

Lowe - "Poeltl might be having the most under-the-radar really good season in the league: 13 points, 9 boards, and 3 dimes per game, and the usual airtight defense. A year ago, he was great on defense and maybe a liability on offense against the best teams. Now he's a two-way player. He's daring more of his funky push shots, from longer distances, and has hit a tidy 47% on floaters -- matching his (very bad) free throw percentage. The Spurs are plus-5 per 100 possessions with Poeltl on the floor, and minus-4 when he sits. (They are plus-21 in the 327 minutes Poeltl has played without Dejounte Murray.)"

It's obvious we have a huge drop off defensively when Poeltl sits. If he gets traded that becomes a giant hole to fill. That recent game against the short-handed Warriors was a great example. We're in control, Kuminga hits Poeltl in the face, he goes out of the game, suddenly it's a free-for-all for the Warriors either driving the lane and either finishing, or kicking it out to open shooters, and we lose.

I'd only want to move Jakob if there's a pretty nice haul that we're getting back....and, we have to have the defense figured out. Landale and Collins are no where close to Poeltl when it comes to their ability to defend the lane.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Every successful championship caliber team has that key blue-collar player that does the dirty work. Poeltl's the only hard-hat guy we have.

[Chinook]

People keep trying to use Poeltl to 80/20 star centers and ignore that the same principle works on him. He's a very solid player. I think the Spurs can win with him as their starting center. BUT the Spurs can definitely find a competent center making less money, or find one making the same or even more money when the time comes to try to win a le. How many contenders have better centers than Poeltl? You can argue that none of them do, since the clearly superior fives are on dark horses at best. If that's true, then the actual standard for a contending center is lower than what the Spurs have. It's the "every other position" where the Spurs are behind. That doesn't mean to dump Poeltl for nothing or not re-sign him unless he gets paid nothing. Blah, blah chemistry and all the other stuff I've said. It does mean that losing Poeltl doesn't really set the Spurs back as much as it just adds something to the list the Spurs will have to get to maximize their le hopes.

Also, his contract means nothing. It's a reason to trade him (easier to match salary for teams that need his presence to boost their le chances) rather than it is to keep him.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's obvious we have a huge drop off defensively when Poeltl sits. If he gets traded that becomes a giant hole to fill. That recent game against the short-handed Warriors was a great example. We're in control, Kuminga hits Poeltl in the face, he goes out of the game, suddenly it's a free-for-all for the Warriors either driving the lane and either finishing, or kicking it out to open shooters, and we lose.

I'd only want to move Jakob if there's a pretty nice haul that we're getting back....and, we have to have the defense figured out. Landale and Collins are no where close to Poeltl when it comes to their ability to defend the lane.

Yes indeed, Chopper. I think the Spurs should build around Murray, Poeltl, Johnson, Vassell and Primo. If Collins pans out, that's gravy. The 2022 draft will be crucial.

[exstatic]

Wow, according to that list, we made a bad trade seeing where Richardson and Langford rank. Celtics got a steal if that rating system has any real legitimacy. I really don't know how legit that list is with White being ranked higher than Jalen Brown, though.

The Boston trade wasn’t for the players. Salary has to come back, and not only the amounts have to match, but the length of the contract can kill a deal. The first round pick and the pick swap. That’s why the deal was done.

[talkspurs]

The Boston trade wasn’t for the players. Salary has to come back, and not only the amounts have to match, but the length of the contract can kill a deal. The first round pick and the pick swap. That’s why the deal was done.

I think players in this deal were import as I think I saw the Spurs were wanting a young player and a pick. Richardson is not young but is not much older then white. I dont think he was what they were after but if he replaces him then they got a pick for almost nothing. They may also like Romeo. he would be a young player that they feel they could get more out of. I would say Romeo would more suit the young player and a pick.

If all they saw as this was white for a low 1st and a possible pick swap that is a low value deal. Yes i do realize some trades the pick or even sometimes getting out of a contract is less important then the players coming back but in this trade I think they also believe the players have value.

[exstatic]

I don’t get the argument that Poeltl is good because he’s cheap . But he’s not going to get “cheap” in the near future, and that’s make him not good anymore because he’s no longer “cheap” . GM’s are going to overpay him when that time comes. And I wish him well. Good for him. There’s a reason why there’s a talk to trade him for PJ Washington and Kai Jones. He’s “cheap” but not good enough. Don’t show me another advance metrics and top 30 list. I saw Green and White getting offensive rebounds around him. I saw we Spurs got outrebounded 53-33. Yes, that’s on the team but mostly on Poeltl

He’s not good because he’s cheap, he’s good AND cheap, and that’s not a situation that’s going to last, so the possible trades would be to extract value while we can.

If you want to remain a casual, trapped in the world of counting stats because you either choose to ignore, or are incapable of understanding advanced stats, that’s your prerogative, but you’ll have to sit at the kiddie table while the grownups talk.

[wildbill2u]

If you have to upgrade one position on the starting 5, you need to replace Keldon Johnson. Can't defend or rebound at the level of an average starter in the NBA. Not a smart player. Solid Bench player at most.

[John B]

He’s not good because he’s cheap, he’s good AND cheap, and that’s not a situation that’s going to last, so the possible trades would be to extract value while we can.

If you want to remain a casual, trapped in the world of counting stats because you either choose to ignore, or are incapable of understanding advanced stats, that’s your prerogative, but you’ll have to sit at the kiddie table while the grownups talk.

My views are of a fan. I leave the advanced metrics to you. I’ve watched DRob and Timmy anchored the defense for almost 30 years. That’s what Spurs was all about - Defense. So when I watch casual bigs (not even bigs sometimes) do ally ops party on the Spurs, and advanced analytics says Poeltl is a top 10 center? Poeltl can’t even hold Malik’s’ jocks.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think players in this deal were import as I think I saw the Spurs were wanting a young player and a pick. Richardson is not young but is not much older then white. I dont think he was what they were after but if he replaces him then they got a pick for almost nothing. They may also like Romeo. he would be a young player that they feel they could get more out of. I would say Romeo would more suit the young player and a pick.

If all they saw as this was white for a low 1st and a possible pick swap that is a low value deal. Yes i do realize some trades the pick or even sometimes getting out of a contract is less important then the players coming back but in this trade I think they also believe the players have value.

the Spurs were clearly trying to add a better 3-point shooter at SG as they were also discussing a Bogdanovic deal with Atlanta. They were interested in J-Rich in the 2020 offseason. They clearly thought that by adding that type of player they don't lose any on court productivity by giving up White while also getting a young player, a pick and a swap. That's why it's a good deal

[rankingtear]

My views are of a fan. I leave the advanced metrics to you. I’ve watched DRob and Timmy anchored the defense for almost 30 years. That’s what Spurs was all about - Defense. So when I watch casual bigs (not even bigs sometimes) do ally ops party on the Spurs, and advanced analytics says Poeltl is a top 10 center? Poeltl can’t even hold Malik’s’ jocks.

They run a ton of pick and rolls now. Keep up.

[John B]

They run a ton of pick and rolls now. Keep up.

The Stockton/Malone, Nash/Stoudamire, CP3/Jordan/Griffin, Bibby/Jason Williams/Divac/C-Webb, Kevin Johnson/Barkeley, Dennis Johnson/McHale/Parish, Isiah/Laimbeer, etc. Dude, the pick and roll must be the oldest play in the book. Are you trying to make a point?

[rankingtear]

The Stockton/Malone, Nash/Stoudamire, CP3/Jordan/Griffin, Bibby/Jason Williams/Divac/C-Webb, Kevin Johnson/Barkeley, Dennis Johnson/McHale/Parish, Isiah/Laimbeer, etc. Dude, the pick and roll must be the oldest play in the book. Are you trying to make a point?

A ton now.

[DAF86]

My views are of a fan. I leave the advanced metrics to you. I’ve watched DRob and Timmy anchored the defense for almost 30 years. That’s what Spurs was all about - Defense. So when I watch casual bigs (not even bigs sometimes) do ally ops party on the Spurs, and advanced analytics says Poeltl is a top 10 center? Poeltl can’t even hold Malik’s’ jocks.

Not only Poeltl is a top 10 center, he's an elite defensive one. So, yeah, you ing about his defense of all things, tells me that you should start paying more attention to advanced stats.

[John B]

Not only Poeltl is a top 10 center, he's an elite defensive one. So, yeah, you ing about his defense of all things, tells me that you should start paying more attention to advanced stats.

Poodle?.. a top 10 center?

[DAF86]

Poodle?.. a top 10 center?

Yeah, the metrics show it. Even without them, tell me 10 centers better off the top of your head.

[John B]

Yeah, the metrics show it. Even without them, tell me 10 centers better off the top of your head.

To humor you:
Jokic
Embiid
Ayton
K-Town
Gobert
Jarrett Allen
Vucevic
Adebayo
Valanciunas
Capela

Was that too quick for you?

[Ignazzz]

Ben Simmons on C too ;-)
btw Mo Bamba over Capela

[KingKev]

Ben Simmons on C too ;-)
btw Mo Bamba over Capela

Mo Bamba should be a target for this summer. Shaq had some comments about him on the Saturday night AS weekend telecast saying he he has all the tools to be a great big.

I bet Mo Bamba at 4yr 80mm gets it done.