Doubt he gets that, look at his monthly splits.
Orlando has to make a tough decision on him as they are flush with bigs and probably have a top 3 pick looming so possibly adding Chet, Banchero or Smith. With that being said they have a ton of cap so makes little sense to lose him for nothing which makes me think they are matching 4yr 60-70mm and will move him after.
Bamba still has alot of upside from my perspective with the ability to stretch the floor and be your defensive anchor.
I would love for Mo Bamba to be Spurs’ defensive anchor.
Sign and trade him, send Richardson/Romeo out to match salaries.
We are going to have to pay Jak 15mm or more come 2023. If we can get something for Jak this summer and add Mo Bamba for 15-20mm a year I’d be thrilled.
I think Bamba has Gobert defensive upside, with the 3pts. And yes, other GM’s would overpay Poeltl. He should’ve been moved already with the tanking season. I think PATFO tried.
I think you guys are way off on Mo. His numbers are not good and he turns into a potato without WCJ next to him. Even ORL fans don't want him back, they are saying he can't guard anybody. Best guess a 5 mil 1 + 1 contract next year.
If the Jazz disappoint again in the playoffs, the rift between Mitc and Gobert could explode. Instead of buckling to pressure to trade Mitc , they could move on from Gobert and a lopsided trade for Poeltl and some of the Spurs cap space could be the best way for them to maintain what they have.
Don't really want to pay Rudy Max money, but I suppose a frequent defense from Jazz fans is that there isn't enough good perimeter defense with him. Dejounte and Vassell are a good start, but McDermott and keldon kind of blow that up.
Eh, just throwing stuff against the wall
You want to pay bamba 15 million a year?
Wanting to move Jakob, but wanting to pay 15-20m per year for Bamba is a of a take.
Kinda nutz tbh.
Bamba is not without upside and he has some value now, but if you're asking me to choose between Jakob and Bamba at 15m per I'm going to choose Jakob every single time. If the Spurs want to gamble on a player with upside, they shouldn't be doing it at 20 million per.
Bamba's plus minus has been negative every month this season. It been double digits negative three times. Granted he plays on a bad team but even so.
Bamba kinda reminds me of Lonnie Walker. He's had flashes but let someone else pay him.
pure idiocy
Man, people really wanting to pay Mo 15 mil, while there's a much better player and center on the team that could be re-signed at a similar price.
In my eyes I like the idea of getting solid return for Jak AND the upside of a player like Bamba at what will probably amount to the same price.
The Spurs could very easily trade Jak this offseason AND sign him in 2023 when we will in all likelihood have the cap space.
Valenciunas and Capela
Thanks for proving my point.
Raptor WAR, minimum 815 minutes (their default)
1) 15.7 Nikola Jokic
2) 7.9 Joel Embiid
3) 7.2 Rudy Gobert
4) 5.8 Jarrett Allen, Domantas Sobonis
6) 5.4 Jakob Poeltl
7) 4.3 Kevin Love, Jonas Valanciunas
9) 4.2 Josep Nurkic
10) 4.1 Mitc Robinson
50) -0.5 Mo Bamba, Chimezie Metu
Those are just stats cherry picked. Not based on actually watching the game.
All you have to do is watch a game or two and you realize Chimezie Metu is really......................not that good
I’m sure DDR was horrible last year and I suspect this year he is pretty highly
rated with the exact same statistic but in a different environment.
Remember where Mo Bamba is playing…
Advanced analytics are only a tool in the tool shed gents.
Yes, some are hybrid bigs who can play next to another specific type of ones in certain matchups and while the metrics indicate Poeltl is clearly more impactful, their more versatile skillsets are more coveted and they're mostly younger, with a perceived higher ceiling.
Williams, Carter Jr., Holmes and Gafford, all higher impact players, have recently extended or re-signed for significantly less (as an aside, Poeltl probably costs between their range and the recently extended range of Capela, Allen, Adams, Valanciunas).
There's not a chance Bamba sniffs this. Even if a cap space team with a gaping hole at center, like the Pistons or Thunder, is interested, it still won't get to this point. Not with the Magic already committed to Isaac, Carter Jr., Wagner (more of a four) and in good position to draft one of the "big 3".
You don’t trade Poeltl for another role player who you expect will get paid equal to or more than Poeltl’s future contract. That’s just stupid.
you trade him for a cheaper version of himself or a decent draft pick / center prospect with star upside.
Jak will get 15mm if not from us, from someone else. I agree the Magic are heavily invested in their frontline already so Mo Bamba is unlikely to be part of their future but he has a very appealing skillset that few current top 5s posses. They have a crazy amount of cap that is going to be hard to allocate. Mo Bamba is getting matched regardless of their need for him but only up to a certain figure. Comparisons to our situation with Walker just aren’t warranted.Yes, some are hybrid bigs who can play next to another specific type of ones in certain matchups and while the metrics indicate Poeltl is clearly more impactful, their more versatile skillsets are more coveted and they're mostly younger, with a perceived higher ceiling.
There's not a chance Bamba sniffs this. Even if a cap space team with a gaping hole at center, like the Pistons or Thunder, is interested, it still won't get to this point. Not with the Magic already committed to Isaac, Carter Jr., Wagner (more of a four) and in good position to draft one of the "big 3".
We are all arm chair quarterbacks on here but ppl need to remember foresight is important. If your advanced analytics and impact stats were so important there is no need for strategy or having a view. You just plug it into a computer and voila. As someone who has worked as a trader for a hedge fund and a bulge bracket investment bank, grinding 12 hours a day, behind 6 Bloomberg screens trading interest rate and fx derivatives I’m pretty confident there is more to strategy and winning than simple analytics.
Agreed. I’d be willing to trade him for some young assets knowing a big part of his worth is his CURRENT contract. He is a solid big man on a discount contract. Jak at market value is meh for this organization. If I think I can replace him in free agency, for similar value while harvesting a gain on him I’m going to do it.
Similar to how we traded White. White was replaceable, we harvested value in our drafting/development and his relative value as a solid player on a great contract.
If we were close to playoff compe iveness am I moving either Jak or White? Most likely not.
Last edited by KingKev; 02-21-2022 at 05:56 PM.
I understand now, I thought you meant you would trade Jak for Bamba. I don’t mind finding a White-trade package for Poeltl, but paying Bamba that much is worse than how you feel about how much we pay McDermott. That’s a terrible deal.
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