It's funny how I never hear people who utilize and comprehend analytics claim otherwise . . . it's also funny you'd use it in response to me considering I literally listed a bunch of "arguably better" centers who rate as clearly worse by the catch all metrics in the same post.
McD never had much upside. His best alternative away was probably the MLE but for a contender.
I think 4yrs 60mm is a very fair deal and an acceptable risk for Bamba’s upside but I think Orlando
matches. Bamba is a fairly fluid, athletic 7fter with a 7’10 wingspan, who can shoot 35% from 3 on decent volume and is a pretty solid rim protector. Oh and he is 23yrs old.
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The analytics point wasn’t directly aimed at you just a point in the broader discussion with other members involved. I agree with your valuation in Jak relative to other comparable transactions for bigs.
I might be the only one that agrees with King but I would be interested in him as well. I would also be interested in Smith. He is more of a defense reb as Poeltl is oefesne but both get about the same per 100 and Bamab has another big that can rebound with him. bamabs Drtg is actually better but Poeltl Ortg is far better. This is bambas 1st real year of PT. Bamba seems to miss more games but some of that was due to covid. 15 a year is not much over the MLE as that should be about 10 mil. 4/60 I think would be a reasonable deal for him.
Bruh there are 5-8 more centers after that before you even get to PoodleValenciunas and Capela
Thanks for proving my point.
They are really similar in that teams misjudge how much strength they can put in them. They are both capped strength wise that is why PHX already gave up on Smith.
The Spurs can take a look at speculative centers, but they shouldn't go into the off-season planning to replace Jakob with one unless they're also considering trading Murray as well. The reason why Poeltl is tradeable in my mind is that there are quality centers whom the Spurs could acquire after they get value for Jakob. If they're giving something like $36M/3 (with a guarantee structure similar to Collins) to someone like Bamba, they can't be seriously trying to win games. The most I could see paying for him in a world with Poeltl on the team is $20M/2 with the second year being a player option. Then if he plays well, Jakob goes on the block. If not, the team eats the second year and moves on.
Plan A should definitely be Zach Lavine at this point. You gotta hope for some growth from Vassell and either drafting a PF or trading for one. Then you get
Murray/Jones/1st-rounder
Lavine/Primo/Richardson
Vassell/Johnson/KBD or Langford
1st-rounder/McDermott/Wieskamp
Poeltl/Collins or Landale/1st-rounder
Two-way: 2nd-rounder, Ca or some other big
What cap moves would the Spurs have to make to get enough room to sign Lavine? Letting Walker go seems to be a given, but I don't know the numbers well enough to know how much room it will take to max out Lavine and still sign all 3 firsts, keep McD, etc.
Lavine is an absolute pipe dream. I’d love to pair him with DJ but it isn’t going to happen. Also he may be eligIble for a super max from the Bulls if he makes an all-nba team this year which is possible.
With that being said between 2-3 of JRich, McD, Collins and Langford we could
easily clear the room to max out Lavine and sign our rookies.
You’d think the Spurs are looking at Dejounte and hearing how he wants to give back to both Seattle and San Antonio communities and want to build on that. The Spurs probably haven’t been this proud of a homegrown player since TP. I think they’ll continue to get guys they think will represent the Spurs hard whenever they reach their potential like this. If you’re in the front office, wouldn’t you think it would be pretty cool if DJ was paired with another Seattle native and both that guy and DJ are doing wonderful community things together for Seattle and SA? This could be Lavine… or it could be Banchero or Eason. Not sure if it’s going to happen, but to me, it falls in line with what the Spurs are known for: community first.
Yeah, that's what makes him a top 10 center.Bruh there are 5-8 more centers after that before you even get to Poodle
I just went over to Banchero’s IG and saw that he put an IG story of the SPURS account posting a photo of both DJ and Lavine with a caption of “Seattle Stand Up” and another story of DJ’s post of himself at the all star game.
Its like these mother ers can't count.Yeah, that's what makes him a top 10 center.
Wait -- why would Zach Lavine go from a great city in Chicago with a contending team to sleepy-ass San Antonio in ty Texas to play for a non post-season team?
I've wanted to target Lavine for some time, and my hope was that the Chicago moves this summer didn't work and that he'd clearly want out. They've worked to an extent, and this isn't how I would have liked it to play out ideally, but I see absolutely no reason to think that he still shouldn't be option #1. After him, I'd lean towards Bridges and then I guess Ayton. After that, the Spurs should look to make creative trades with their cap room. I don't really see any scenarios where they should go after Bamba with a large percentage of their cap room although I wouldn't be opposed to a Zach Collins like contract.
I don't know what I was expecting coming back into this thread, but I certainly wasn't bored by it
ing Mo Bamba of all people?! He's a role player at best, a mediocre one at that, with an injury history. His own team fans vocally don't want him back lmao. I don't see him ever coming close to his (admittedly tantalizing) talent ceiling, he might be too far gone and badly developed. Hard pass at anything beyond reclamation-project-level money -- and especially in any scenario where we're losing Poeltl.
Speak it into existence brother, Seattle connection, I'm all for it. Bring in Sweaty 'Chero down to Texas, we'll probably need to get him a hydrant for the summer months tho
This is exactly why Lavine is not first option. You don't shoot for the moon just to take shots. Lavine has also recently said in an interview he expects to be paid "what he's worth", and that's an easy max to s out for Chicago, especially given the seasonal turnaround. They wouldn't have brought on DeRozan without being fully aware they'd be committing $$$ to Lavine if it works out. It's not even a supermax, either, but a regular max - a literal no-brainer for a player of his caliber.
I'd love to chase after Bridges though. Perfect fit alongside Poeltl, shouldn't be too expensive (at least not JCollins level expensive), great player and person. Ayton, to me, is another absolute pipedream, he's getting the reluctant bag from Sarver IMO. The Suns just can't afford not to. But definitely one of the shakier "pipedreams" right now, we'll see how the playoffs go.
Capela was salary dumped by Houston after their WC beat down by GS. Don’t confuse a deer with an actual basketball player. Also, in spite of all of the oops and dunks, his FG% is lower than Jaks.
Set em up, and we’ll knock ‘em down.Bruh there are 5-8 more centers after that before you even get to Poodle
Speak it into existence brother, Seattle connection, I'm all for it. Bring in Sweaty 'Chero down to Texas, we'll probably need to get him a hydrant for the summer months tho
This isn’t how life works. Simply being from the same city with NO other connection is a silly reason to think Lavine would
leave Chi. He is getting paid in Chi-town to play for a better team, and a top tier city for possible super max money.
The one from PHO or the one from CHA?
Yeah, because it hasn’t happened before… except for the fact that LMA did it when he went to SA.
I find it funny most here will spend time debating their wet dreams, suggesting players like Ayton, Bridges and Lavine who simply can not be had yet won’t entertain players who can actually be realistic targets. The level of hubris and lack of originality from some of you is quite telling. Many of you act like player valuation is as simple as a google search or your so called “advanced analytics” from ppl who hold, at most high school level arithmetic comprehension.
LMA returning to his home state of Texas to join Pop, Tim, Tony, Manu and an up and coming Kahwi a few years removed from a le is different than Lavine coming to a much lesser situation because someone who he has virtually no other connections to other than they share a home city which probably has a greater metropolis population of 5mm.
I’ll give you your flowers for Luka unfollowing the Spurs and subsequently being cut but everyone already knew his final play was his demise. Meanwhile you continue to preach outlandish scenarios and build them in your fantasy.
The amount of times you have tried to decrypt DJs insta alone is painful bro.
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