why are super red states dystopian holes?

[Ef-man]

DMC, your apparent claim of judicial racism ignores the reality that blacks commit crimes at a proportionally higher rate than non-blacks. Not all blacks, obviously, but it is a sad but true fact. i understand there are a mul ude of reasons this is true but blaming the disproportionate incarceration simply on racism is total bull .

fify

[RandomGuy]

There's some serious denial up in here. Blue states have the highest levels of racial disparity in the US. No one needs to explain other states that don't come close, but like how RG tried to ignore black infant mortality rates in blue states, the rest of the dabom level posters here want to ignore the insane 10:1 incarceration rates of blacks in democrat controlled states.

pay attention to my red herring, and not to the fact that RG proved his premise

[RandomGuy]

RG, your apparent claim of judicial racism ignores the reality that blacks commit crimes at a proportionally higher rate than non-blacks. Not all blacks, obviously, but it is a sad but true fact. i understand there are a mul ude of reasons this is true but blaming the disproportionate incarceration simply on racism is total bull .

What apparent claim of judicial racism?

I merely stated that on broad measures of well-being red states run by conservative policies tend to do worse as a group. THe states that are below US average in infant mortality rates, life-expectency, and high school graduation rates turn out to be overwhelmingly dominated by Republican/conservative legislatures.

Why is that?

[RandomGuy]

~3:1 black to white for Mississippi.

, yeah that is the story of that graph, you dimwit.

I"m sure it isn't the 5% incarceration rate for Hispanics. Nah.

[Ef-man]

, yeah that is the story of that graph, you dimwit.

I"m sure it isn't the 5% incarceration rate for Hispanics. Nah.

And fat-hands goes silent to sulk.

[koriwhat]

And fat-hands goes silent to sulk.

I wouldn't doubt if you're an obese loser living with your crazy single feminist hard up for cat loving mother.

[RandomGuy]

The racial disparity isn't about which race has more of the prison population. It's about the percentage of the state population of that race that is incarcerated.

Why is 5% of mississippi's hispanic population in jail, professor?

[CosmicCowboy]

Why is 5% of mississippi's hispanic population in jail, professor?

My guess would be they committed crimes?

[RandomGuy]

My guess would be they committed crimes?

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholart

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...charging&btnG=

Since I know you will not make an effort to educate yourself, a summary of the available evidence:

Both charging and sentencing decisions are significantly different when you are not white in the US.

1/10 trolling. Quick retort that might be humorous, but falls flat given weight of evidence on overall injustice.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholart

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...charging&btnG=

Since I know you will not make an effort to educate yourself, a summary of the available evidence:

Both charging and sentencing decisions are significantly different when you are not white in the US.

1/10 trolling. Quick retort that might be humorous, but falls flat given weight of evidence on overall injustice.

So they didn't commit crimes? Or Mississippi is ok with the blacks and whites committing crimes but decided to hammer the innocent mexicans?

[RandomGuy]

So they didn't commit crimes? Or Mississippi is ok with the blacks and whites committing crimes but decided to hammer the innocent mexicans?

sooo the point of that research flies...

right.
over.
your.
head.

So, if brown people are charged more often than whites for the same crimes, will they be imprisoned at a greater rate? Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

[RandomGuy]

So they didn't commit crimes? Or Mississippi is ok with the blacks and whites committing crimes but decided to hammer the innocent mexicans?

Found the website that DMC got his graph from.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/MS.html

Since you asked, I looked at this specifically, and the answer is at the same website.

"The relatively high proportion of Hispanics incarcerated in Mississippi is due largely to the Adams County Correctional Center, a Corrections Corporation of American facility that contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons to hold immigration detainees."

Which I kind of suspected was the case, given that the datapoint seemed to be an outlier.

Unsurprisingly, they go on to paint the Republican state as having an abysmal and outright abusive prison system, a common feature in dystopian holes.

[Ef-man]

Found the website that DMC got his graph from.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/MS.html

Since you asked, I looked at this specifically, and the answer is at the same website.

"The relatively high proportion of Hispanics incarcerated in Mississippi is due largely to the Adams County Correctional Center, a Corrections Corporation of American facility that contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons to hold immigration detainees."

Which I kind of suspected was the case, given that the datapoint seemed to be an outlier.

Unsurprisingly, they go on to paint the Republican state as having an abysmal and outright abusive prison system, a common feature in dystopian holes.

[RandomGuy]

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Just in case anyone is wondering where we are in this process.

I'm not chasing red herring.

https://fallacyinlogic.com/red-herring/

Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B, which is irrelevant to topic A, is introduced.
Topic A is abandoned.

Topic A: Why do red states do poorly on multiple basic metrics of human well-being?
Topic B: Racial disparity in blue states, is introduced by DMC
Topic A: is then abandoned by DMC.


We are at the point of you trying to make your red herring the main topic.

[RandomGuy]

RG, your apparent claim of judicial racism ignores the reality that blacks commit crimes at a proportionally higher rate than non-blacks. Not all blacks, obviously, but it is a sad but true fact. i understand there are a mul ude of reasons this is true but blaming the disproportionate incarceration simply on racism is total bull .

My point is that red states seem to be correlated with humans being less well overall.

The person making the point about judicial racism is DMC.

You may wish to direct any questions on that to him.

[Ef-man]

My point is that red states seem to be correlated with humans being less well overall.

The person making the point about judicial racism is DMC.

You may wish to direct any questions on that to him, if you can find him as this question is not going away.

fify

[DMC]

, yeah that is the story of that graph, you dimwit.

I"m sure it isn't the 5% incarceration rate for Hispanics. Nah.

Why is 5% of mississippi's hispanic population in jail, professor?

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholart

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...charging&btnG=

Since I know you will not make an effort to educate yourself, a summary of the available evidence:

Both charging and sentencing decisions are significantly different when you are not white in the US.

1/10 trolling. Quick retort that might be humorous, but falls flat given weight of evidence on overall injustice.

All this bull just to conclude with what I already knew.. which was why I didn't mention it.

Found the website that DMC got his graph from.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/MS.html

Since you asked, I looked at this specifically, and the answer is at the same website.

"The relatively high proportion of Hispanics incarcerated in Mississippi is due largely to the Adams County Correctional Center, a Corrections Corporation of American facility that contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons to hold immigration detainees."

Which I kind of suspected was the case, given that the datapoint seemed to be an outlier.

Unsurprisingly, they go on to paint the Republican state as having an abysmal and outright abusive prison system, a common feature in dystopian holes.

You kinda suspected it but went off the rails as if you didn't suspect it. That's some ninja accountant, statistical kung fu right there. You're the Wild CobraKai genius of the forum.

[DMC]

https://fallacyinlogic.com/red-herring/

Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B, which is irrelevant to topic A, is introduced. wrong. your metrics are destroyed one by one at which time you tried to shift the focus back to your conclusion, and away from the veracity of your premises.
Topic A is abandoned.

Topic A: Why do red states do poorly on multiple basic metrics of human well-being?
Topic B: Racial disparity in blue states, is introduced by DMC
Topic A: is then abandoned by DMC. I guess someone like you who sits home all day thinks someone who doesn't post for 4 days abandoned the thread


We are at the point of you trying to make your red herring the main topic.

The main topic is that the things you mentioned mean red states are dystopian holes. You got a proper rogering in this thread. You dismissed one premise as "throwaway" right away. Then you ignored the IMR.

[DMC]

fify

Go away for a week and people are giving condolences. Get a life.

[Ef-man]

Fat-handed poster’s lame cries of victory are a sure sign he is unable to explain Florida’s racial disparity in prisons.

Chop, chop and stop deflecting.

Go away for a week and people are giving condolences. Get a life.

Chop, chop, this is not going away like you did for a week to sulk.

[koriwhat]

Chop, chop, this is not going away like you did for a week to sulk.

You and Thanos continuously act as if it's yall's job to hold people's feet to the fire, as if any of us here will push the needle or are in positions of power. Yall are ing weirdos! Yall are narcissistic authoritarian weak ing ass losers who are dying to be bullies and here on ST yall think yall are hot . It's so obvious how weak yall truly are irl.

[Ef-man]

You and Thanos continuously act as if it's yall's job to hold people's feet to the fire, as if any of us here will push the needle or are in positions of power. Yall are ing weirdos! Yall are narcissistic authoritarian weak ing ass losers who are dying to be bullies and here on ST yall think yall are hot . It's so obvious how weak yall truly are irl.

What?!

No wishing anyone a horrible death?! Not even a "God Bless!?"

Are you watching Amy Schumer or hanging out with the pussy friends, again?

[koriwhat]

What?!

No wishing anyone a horrible death?! Not even a "God Bless!?"

Are you watching Amy Schumer or hanging out with the pussy friends, again?

I definitely wish you nothing but death bro and all "dudes" just like your ass. Don't get it twisted you ing pussy!

Btw, once again you acknowledge nothing I said previously but continuously hold others to a different standard. Mam, you are a !

[RandomGuy]

The main topic is that the things you mentioned mean red states are dystopian holes. You got a proper rogering in this thread. You dismissed one premise as "throwaway" right away. Then you ignored the IMR.

smh.

Declaring victory is basically an admission of failure, Cosmored.