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I agree with that..
I have Holmgren first and Jabari Smith second. I like what I see from Smith a good deal. Ivey is third. I haven't seen Banchero play because I hate Duke. After, there's a big drop, maybe even a very big drop.
I agree with that..
FWIW, Jeremy Woo from S.I just released his latest big board and he has put Liddell at 13 (up from 35 previously). Would be surprised if he went that high but it appears that his profile has definitely risen in the last couple of months…
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Spurs with another bad win tonight for the tank, while the Pacers, Knicks, and Wizards all lose. We’re going to be out of the lottery completely at this rate while other teams are clearly tanking.
I think the Spurs feel pretty comfortable picking late lottery, mid-first considering how the rest of the draft looks.
I honestly feel the pressure is picking top 3.
I feel Chet is the number #1 too like some posters here but do you want to be the team that passes up the next Ja/Westbrook?
How about passing over Jabari’s ridiculous shot-making potential to take what may very well be the safest option in the draft in Paolo?
If the picks hold, love the ability to add a project, an international talent and a rotation guy all in the one draft.
Of course, if the Spurs feel strongly enough about a prospect at the top, they may feel they have the means to get a deal done…
Agree about pressure with top 3 picks but the sweet spot is 3 to 8 after that its a big drop off in talent it's not looking good. It's nice to win but this team is not going anywhere unless we get better talent and that comes drafting in the top 8 at a minimum.
I am guessing if we do move up to pick 11 or 12 that will get us a role player and will probably trade Poodle for picks and to do a proper rebuild aka Tank for 2023 which people say will be a better draft.
Dejounte’s too good to tank. He raises the floor of this team to a level that we’re simply not bad enough to warrant a top-5 pick, or prob even a top-10 one. And he’ll likely be even better next year as he ages.
Spurs are in a weird position right now with DJ who turns 26 this summer. He’ll be entering his prime next season while the rest of our team is really young and more in a full rebuilding stage. Will be interesting to see what the Spurs do the next couple seasons. I think they trade Poeltl as I don’t see him re-signing here unless we take a major step next season, which is unlikely.
Spurs are kind of in one of the worst positions you can be in: NBA purgatory. We’re not bad enough to warrant a top-5 pick for a potential franchise player, but not good enough to contend for anything other than maybe a 1st Round playoff slot. And the only way to build with a small market team like ours is through the draft, which we’re not bad enough to do — and we’re too proud to tank. Luckily we have Dejounte to build around, which is great, but he ain’t enough. We need a legit #1 option and I don’t think we find it in time before DJ’s prime is wasted. Hopefully they surprise us with a trade or something, but I’m not holding my breath.
If Pop trades Poodle for picks and we use one of our 3 first rounders on a center ie; Mark Williams, Walker Kessler. I could see it playing out that the new kids will get the G League treatment and will sign some scrub center for one year and in doing that we guarantee a top 4 pick.
You need to get comfortable with SA in the play in, at least, and maybe the playoffs. Portland is the #10 team in the play in, and they are overtly tanking, holding out both Nurk and Dame. We’re virtually tied with them, and play them 3 more times. We have a bunch of other winnable games, too. LA flat sucks, and we play them one more time. They’re kind of in a free fall, so we might pass them for #9. We’re only 6 games behind the Clippers for #8, 5 in the loss column.
If we make the play-in hope that the Lakers is out.
Portland will tank their way out of the 10 seed but the biggest Spurs opponent will be New Orleans, who have an easy remaining schedule. The two games against each other will be very important, hopefully the Spurs can manage to at least split them and get the head to head tiebreaker. Lakers are there for the taking in the play in. A win against them, even if the Spurs fail to make the playoffs after that, would be so satisfying.
Tari is slated to go in the early 20s and Keegan right around our FRP. Seems to me if we really wanted to bulk up the forward position we could go for both and see which one pans out. PF is our weakest position so it almost makes sense to grab two and see if one of them is the next diamond in the rough.
The sweet spot might be the 10 seed play-in spot.
Highly unlikely you get to the playoffs but it would be a lot of fun games if you somehow do. If not, you probably still get a decent lottery pick. It's a win-win.
If you don't make the playoffs from the 10 seed you probably still get the 9th or 10th worst record in the league.
If you have the 9th worst record, your odds of getting a top three pick (a top tier in my mind) is 14.5%.
If you tank as badly as possible (at this point) you might get the 6th worst record -- your chance of a top three pick would be 27.6%.
Not great odds in either case. (Even if you have the worst record in the entire league you still only have a 40.1% chance of a top three pick.)
For perspective, in 1997 the Spurs had a 21.4% chance of getting the #1 pick (Tim Duncan) and Boston had a 36.3% chance.
If you compare 1997 to this year, the Spurs' chances of getting Duncan were about at the mid-point between the Spurs tanking this year or not (and getting a top three pick).
Let the chips fall where they may.
I agree with almost everything you said here man. I think one notable exception you left out was the possibility of trading Murray also. The truth is Johnson Vassel and Primo are all talented but not really number one option guys. Murray is a great player and when you factor in where he was drafted and his current salary he looks even better, but I don't think he ever becomes that superstar that attracts other superstars.
We do need to build through the draft as we've learned we can't bank on FA. So if it's looking like we are going to waste Murray and Potels prime years it makes sense to trade them when their value is highest.
Murray is now an allstar on a reasonable contract that set the record for triple doubles in franchise history. Potel has become a much more efficient scorer and an offensive rebound machine on a good contract. If the Spurs don't believe that they can win a championship with a Murray/Potel/ random allstar we trade for or miraculously comes through free agency, then the obvious choice is to move them.
I think for Murray we could either use him to move up in this draft if there is someone we like or trade him for a couple future firsts (as you mentioned 2023 is a much more talented draft class). A prime trade partner here could be the Knicks because they NEED a pg, they have their future picks and I don't think Murray would improve them so much that it would devalue the picks. Last year was a flash in the pan for them but it was enough to give them a sense of false hope about their future.
We could trade Potel for a 2023 first and a young prospect but we might have to take on salary. In the end it gives us the added bonus of truly embracing the tank.
Also I just wanted to add that a lot of talent can come out of the late lottery. Nephew was a late lottery pick and there are some other great examples. We are one of the best drafting teams in the league. We could turn a late lottery pick into a franchise player.
There’s a 2% chance any of the projected top 3 players get to even Murray’s current level. The thought of trading Murray at this point is just insanity and flat out doesn’t make sense. The team as it stands has a possibility of being a lottery team again next year, so there’s not even that excuse.
If we think that Murray is not worth the keep and trade him to tank it is likely we end up in the cycle of forever tanking and trading players. The players nowadays are mostly one and done, you cannot find a DRob or Timmy in the draft. They will all need time to be at very good level.
Davis injury is pretty bad it has been upgraded to a sprained mid foot which will require him to be evaluated in 4 weeks so it's probably anywhere from 6 to 8 weeks before he steps back on the floor
The play-in games are only about 7.5 weeks away so that means there's a decent chance he's not back in time for those either. The Lakers will have a lot of trouble making the playoffs if AD misses everything up to and including the play-in.
Raptors getting blown out by the ty Hawks. They’re about to lose 4 of their last 5 games, 3 of which will be by 30+ pts if this holds. Playing their worst basketball of the season, and they have one of the toughest schedules remaining in the league.
They’re going to tank if this keeps up. That pick is looking like it might not convey.
The curse of Thad.
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It would just hopefully convey 2023……..no biggie.
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