View Poll Results: End of Putin's reign?

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    It doesn't matter how long Putin remains in power, his replacement will be more of the same or worse. The end of the American led globalized world order has begun and we are moving back to the multipolar world of the past. You should accept this and plan accordingly.

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    Follow the money. He won't retire, he'll be "retired" if you know what I mean. It's all contingent on oligarchs being able to dodge some of the sanctions or not, IMO.

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    It doesn't matter how long Putin remains in power, his replacement will be more of the same or worse. The end of the American led globalized world order has begun and we are moving back to the multipolar world of the past. You should accept this and plan accordingly.
    The beginning of the end of "unipolarity" was clear as early as invasion of Iraq in 2003, tbh. It was always more aspirational than actual.

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    It doesn't matter how long Putin remains in power, his replacement will be more of the same or worse. The end of the American led globalized world order has begun and we are moving back to the multipolar world of the past. You should accept this and plan accordingly.
    might have been heading that way but russia shot itself in the foot. i dont think europe has ever been this united

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    russians kicking putin out is their only real off-ramp from this conflict, other than complete victory

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    might have been heading that way but russia shot itself in the foot. i dont think europe has ever been this united
    Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present cir stances will cause them to reverse course.

    Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.

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    russians kicking putin out is their only real off-ramp from this conflict, other than complete victory
    a negotiated settlement with Ukraine seems not impossible to me.

    short of that, what happened to Aleppo and Grozny seems likely to happen to Kyiv. I expect Putin to intensify the destruction and slaughter to force concessions of neutrality and/or land. I hope the oligarchs kick him out of bed, but I sure wouldn't count on it.

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    Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present cir stances will cause them to reverse course.

    Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.
    It was a severe knee jerk by Biden because he was humiliated by Putin in broad daylight, and could either get his nuclear codes at hand, or, stipulate to Putin's command to stand aside and don't intervene. He chose the latter and going hog wild with the sanctions.

    Do you think that State run CNN/FOX would ask him in said broad daylight whether he's still buying oil from Putin? Nooooooooo, that question is absolutely forbidden to be asked by a living soul, left or right media. Sure the politicians can bandy it about, and MSM will berate Biden about his Cat holism and abortion, but no way they ask him about buying oil from Putin still.

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    Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present cir stances will cause them to reverse course.

    Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.
    India and Russia already working on exchange in RUPEES

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    a negotiated settlement with Ukraine seems not impossible to me.

    short of that, what happened to Aleppo and Grozny seems likely to happen to Kyiv. I expect Putin to intensify the destruction and slaughter to force concessions of neutrality and/or land. I hope the oligarchs kick him out of bed, but I sure wouldn't count on it.
    Because Putin baited Z and his minions/civilians into lifting up arms & tails.

    "Got 'em, Lav! No-mercy-now."

    "Yah!"

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    might have been heading that way but russia shot itself in the foot. i dont think europe has ever been this united
    Once Ukraine has fallen the tweets will stop but the economic effects on the euro s won't. In time they will direct their anger towards each other as they have throughout history. If in this moment of emotion, they actually admit holes like Georgia and Moldova into the EU, it will only hasten the demise of the EU.

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    Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present cir stances will cause them to reverse course.

    Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.
    this is more than the US though

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    Once Ukraine has fallen the tweets will stop but the economic effects on the euro s won't. In time they will direct their anger towards each other as they have throughout history. If in this moment of emotion, they actually admit holes like Georgia and Moldova into the EU, it will only hasten the demise of the EU.
    i think this will potentially push other countries into NATO, too. being neutral isnt enough. russia will keep trying to expand its empire until it runs up against nato borders

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    Once Ukraine has fallen the tweets will stop but the economic effects on the euro s won't. In time they will direct their anger towards each other as they have throughout history. If in this moment of emotion, they actually admit holes like Georgia and Moldova into the EU, it will only hasten the demise of the EU.
    If anything, Ukrainians preferring to die than becoming hole Russian citizens only strengthen the desire of previously neutral countries of becoming NATO members (ie: Finland, Sweden). Especially Finland, who borders Russia.

    I guess we must thank the Ruskies for NATO's best advertising ever

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    If anything, Ukrainians preferring to die than becoming hole Russian citizens only strengthen the desire of previously neutral countries of becoming NATO members (ie: Finland, Sweden). Especially Finland, who borders Russia.

    I guess we must thank the Ruskies for NATO's best advertising ever
    yep

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    India and Russia already working on exchange in RUPEES
    Yes.
    The economic powers of the world will find their way...???
    What kind of economic power does India have? Russia has the economy of Spain. Wow...

    The reason both are players is they are nuclear powers and huge; and you are cheering miniscule financial agreements.

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    If anything, Ukrainians preferring to die than becoming hole Russian citizens only strengthen the desire of previously neutral countries of becoming NATO members (ie: Finland, Sweden). Especially Finland, who borders Russia.

    I guess we must thank the Ruskies for NATO's best advertising ever
    Daring Sweden to join NATO by Putin is just flat out stupid. Then starting with Finland so they will now consider it.
    So horribly misplayed.

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    Daring Sweden to join NATO by Putin is just flat out stupid. Then starting with Finland so they will now consider it.
    So horribly misplayed.
    He wins either way that's why he issued the dares at the top of his lungs.

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    Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present cir stances will cause them to reverse course.

    Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.
    Now you're thinkin

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    Now you're thinkin
    ...it was like pullin' teeth.

    But he could either start thinkin', or, start bendin'.

    He chose wisely.

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    Hater ITT trying to pretend that Russia has actual elections .

    add it to the long list of he has been wrong about.

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    Hater ITT trying to pretend that Russia has actual elections .

    add it to the long list of he has been wrong about.
    Just as legit as ours, BD.

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    Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present cir stances will cause them to reverse course.
    They would consider it if there would be another stable currency outside the USD or Euro. That's not the case in the real world, however, which is why Russia held about ~80% of their reserves in either Euros or USD.

    What are they going to use, the Yuan, that gets manipulated every month? That works for China to keep their exports cheap, but it doesn't work for Russia.

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    Hater ITT trying to pretend that Russia has actual elections .

    add it to the long list of he has been wrong about.
    What have you pretended to have done and have held on to that lie now for yrs?

    add it to the long list of you have made up in order to garner more ass eFriends here on ST.

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    this is more than the US though
    true, with a very pronounced effect. probably shortens the opportunity for Russia to maintain the present effort. I can see how it might deter them from a future one too, but it might not. Russia took two bites at the apple in Chechnya and succeeded the second time.

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