Letting him walk for nothing is the only unacceptable outcome.
I think from a hype perspective he can do better. But I also think from a production perspective that he shouldn't command much more than that. He has real flaws, and while a lot of the popular stats suggests he has a star-like impact, there are stats that don't cut for him as much. I think the Spurs might be able to 80/20 him now. On a new deal, it's pretty much a certainty in my mind. Their task is to convince him that he won't get so much more in 2024 that he should forgo the guarantee now.
Would there even be a market for him?
Jesus,poodle power getting 20 mil per
On the trade market (including S&Ts)? Yes. He's worth money into the low-teens, especially with the rising cap. Issue is that if he's worth more than the MLE (or even the TPMLE), the teams that can afford him is much lower. I don't know that the Spurs have to risk him signing away for more money, but I do think if their goal Poeltl-related goal is to keep him then they run the bigger risk of trading him for a meh return rather than getting him to agree for cheap.
That’s how much Jarrett Allen makeJesus,poodle power getting 20 mil per
Poeltl getting a 60-piece on his head last night.
poeltl has a history of putting his tail between his legs when facing the more elite centers of the league
but, but, but, he is not afraid to get dunked on... LOL, this guy sucks and should have never been on the team, but these are the modern spurs. A bunch of role players, that some people think will actually be good.
The only reason he is on the team is to save face for the Kawhi trade TBH...without Poeltl we basically traded Kawhi for Keldon Johnson
I don’t get some of these takes on here. Jakob’s free throw shooting is atrocious no doubt, but he’s better than most centers not name David Robinson to play next to Duncan. If the Spurs had a legit 4 that plays any amount of defense Jakob would look a lot different. Saying Jakob was the reason KAT dropped 60 didn’t watch the game. Zollins was getting murdered by KAT. KAT hit 7 threes on 63% from downtown on top of that. What’s Jakob supposed to do with that?
If your argument is that he is better than Nazi Muhammad then sure he is. But that kinda only really matters if we had Tim Duncan. We are devoid of talent across the whole ing roster. So it doesn’t really matter if he is better than Rasho in 04.
Ask yourself this, of every single playoff team in the west, would anybody (not named DJ) be a starter on them? And that includes ing Poeltl. So we shouldn’t be paying a center who wouldn’t be a stater on any other playoff team (maybe one at most) 20 million a year. There’s an idea. That’s my new question. Would Lonnie start on Phoenix or Memphis, or GS or Denver? No? Then don’t sign him to big money either. We have nice role players. High end bench players on our team as starters. It’s time we upgrade the talent
Of the top 10 teams in the west (I'm including the play in teams) Poeltl would start on both LA teams, Dallas, and GS...you can make an argument for Memphis over Adams at this point but he'd start on those 4 for sure.
He wouldn’t start on the Clippers at all. They have just as good a player on just a good a contract. Idgaf about the Lakers they suck and I don’t count the 10th seed as a viable playoff team. If we truly wanted to then we could be the the 10th seed this year.
That leaves Dallas and GS. He would start on Dallas (that was the team I was thinking of once they got rid of Kristaps) but they wouldn’t pay him ing 20 million a year to do it and would get a different player in a heartbeat instead of offering him that contract. Golden St I guess he would be a reverse Manu where he would start for them but he wouldn’t finish for them. And Adams is tougher than Poeltl and does the same job as Poeltl and actually has been proven to affect winning rather than his only advance stats saying so and team results not.
So 2 teams in the playoffs? And he’s worth $20 million a year? The y’all say. Dude is worth his contract. And that’s about it.
I think you're wrong about the Clips...as for the $20M/year.... I don't think anyone is seriously discussing that....If we can extend him at his max extension then it's a good number for us...if he's not agreeable then we should move him this summer....it's a pretty simple proposition at this point.
i wonder about that though. And my dislike for him aside. Does he really have a market for that number? Would he get a max extension offer from anybody else? A losing team wouldn’t sign him to that. And very few winning teams have any cap space for him. I just don’t see a team offering him $15 million a year. I think we could keep him for 10 and call it a day. He might not accept this offer but after probing other teams he will be forced to sign it. Much like Lonnie
I’m definitely not advocating for any type of salary, I’m stating he is a solid starter in the NBA. Some of these takes calling Jakob trash and suggesting the Spurs are playing him to save face for the Kawhi trade are a little off the mark. Keldon Johnson is a starter too. I’m not saying they’re all stars, but they can both start on NBA teams that don’t have an all star at their respective positions. Jakob will never be an all star, but Keldon still might.
I think he easily has a market at $15M...but he'd have to wait a year and risk injury... that's why I think we 'might' have a shot to keep him at his max extension number..
From who though? I can’t think of a team. Also what is his max extension number?
Poeltl shouldn’t be paid more than DJM who is averaging 16mil a year, despite many thinks he’s a top 10 center.
That kind of thinking caused PHO to non tender Jalen Smith, and ultimately lose him . You don’t lose a player because another player is on a steal of a contract. You pay a player what he’s worth when his contract is up. If you have two brain cells to rub together,you know that DJs next contract will probably be double this one. He’ll get paid what he’s worth when his contract is up.
Preach.
Plus you need to see what the draft picks for DDR and Young provide. Essentially, if Poetl stays on the team, it is him plus Keldon Johnson, plus the two other first round picks. That could be a decent return for a team that had zero leverage given Kawhi's intent to go to LA regardless of where he was traded and Kawhi's "injury" situation and refusal to even meet with team representatives. Also, but less likely to be impactful, is what the Spurs can get in free agency with the money that they are not paying Kawhi to be a supermax player. Because they would have paid him the supermax if he stayed. So trading him, and then DDR for draft picks and expiring salary means Keldon, Jakob, two first round picks, and salary cap space to sign a free agent(s).
This really needs to be put to rest as we are too far removed from the Kahwi trade but if you are going to equate the series of trades than you need to consider Danny Green, the 5mm in cash that went to TO, eating Aminu’s contract in the Bulls DDR trade, the reality Thad didn’t garner a first rather moved us up 10-15 spots in the draft, Keldon could have been taken at 19 versus the flier we took on Samanic etc etc.
Not worth the debate.
If you’re going to use this logic, then because OKC ate contracts to get many of their FRPs, they don’t really count, either. And Keldon could have been taken at 19, but he wasn’t. He was picked at 29 with the pick that conveyed from Toronto in the Kawhi trade.
If you really want to follow this to it’s source, look to the #26 pick in the 2008 draft, George Hill. ALL OF THIS spun off of that pick. Spurs are doing it again, too, with the White pick, #29 in 2017 that they’ve already turned into a pick better than the original White pick, a FRP swap option in 2028, and two assets that may yield further picks and/or players.
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