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Anybody watching the first half still think that Holmgren is a lock for the #1 pick? He's going to need a big second half AND for Zaga to win this game so he gets another chance.
I personally would rather see them use all of our picks or move a few of them for future picks but I feel we might as well take chances on multiple young guys in the coming years versus trading for an all-star. Drafting and developing is something this organization is still pretty damn good at. Loosen up the character criteria and keep swinging. We will hit on something decent again soon.
In the interim keep harvesting value from the guys you developed. More players need to get the Derrick White treatment the next few years. Jak, Keldon, Vassell all prime candidates.
Anybody watching the first half still think that Holmgren is a lock for the #1 pick? He's going to need a big second half AND for Zaga to win this game so he gets another chance.
LOL. Well, if he's sorry...
Agreed...Portland is in a tough spot...they may not even know what they're doing yet.. just trying to get the highest possible pick to have as many options as possible. To a lesser degree we're in the same boat....even if we wanted to package assets to go after a star...who's gonna be available?
This tournament is the first I've seen of college basketball all year, but I've seen almost all relevant games, and I'd comfortably take Ivey, Banchero and Smith before Holmgreen. Very unimpressive offensive game, Timme has carried Gonzaga offensively pretty much every time they've been in trouble, with Holmgreen having a very reduced role. Shotblocking has been amazing, other than that, I can't see what's the big fuzz about him going by the past few games.
At this point, group think has set in and the top picks are semi-locked in. No GM is going to risk losing his job going against conventional wisdom. And that goes for more than just Holmgren.
I'm not impressed w AJ Griffin at all at the #8 pick. He's fine later in the draft but not top 10.
I will be disappointed if that's our pick.
Holmgren, Jabari Smith, Banchero, and Johnny Smith seem like they'll all be solid players who can be #2 guys on really good teams.
The guys who look to have real star potential to me are: Ivey and Mathurin. Ivey's atheltic gifts are.... wow.
And Mathurin is a grinder in addition to his very real skills. I suspect these two will be talked about for years after this draft.
Sharpe is the real wildcard. Someone will really roll the dice on him and might win big.
Late 1st round picks that could be steals are the G League guys and Patrick Baldwin Jr. They've had so-so years at their current locations but were once seen as lottery talents. I'm particularly intrigued by Baldwin Jr.
The Spurs are pretty savvy about other teams wants and needs, and they thought someone pretty close behind them wanted Primo. They have shown a propensity to wheel and deal and multiply assets, and if they thought he was going to drop 10 spots, they WOULD have traded back.
I've heard Chad Ford say that, speaking with different teams, Primo was much higher on their lists than most mocks would have you believe, he said around the late teens. So he likely would have been gone within the next 10 pícks. Still, pretty much a huge reach, when he's neither a potential game changer nor a sure thing, and Sengun was the obvious pick and he was available...
Meh. You could be right. And with it being Rafael Stone's first year, he's probably more likely than most to play it safe. All the basketball analysis in the world isn't worth much if you don't account for human nature.
Besides, it's looking like Few made some good adjustments at the half. Holmgren may get enough out of this half to settle the argument.
Opinions are fluctuating wildly on Draft boards and will continue to, up until draft night. Have a look at NBADraft.net's new mock.
That's certainly trending away from the consensus...
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Dyson Daniels at 29? Tari Eason at 30? Think they'll be off the board before 20.
I've said numerous times that if the draft had been a week later, Primo would have started appearing in the lottery in mock drafts. The press were slow to pick up on his movement. Same thing happened with Ziaire Williams, who only started moving the week before. Whether they were reaches or not is another matter.
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What would have moved him? Everyone organization was working off of similar information no?
Look, I don't want to be "that guy". I did tell TIMVP this in a PM back when it happened. What I was told was that the Spurs were convinced that OKC would take him if they passed. The Spurs picked 12, and OKC had 16 and 18, so maybe they didn't think they could risk trading down. I don't know, but it makes sense that OKC might have liked Primo's upside more than Tre Mann's.
On the other hand, it would mean that the Spurs had a pretty specific read on what OKC was thinking. Rumors are a lot more fun if you don't think too much about them.
I'm talking about mock drafts. They're not smarter than any other amateurs and are trying to guess draft orders by reading the tea leaves. A lot of the players' positions had solidified (more or less) by the week or so of the draft. Ziaire Williams started moving up on some mock drafts the week before because the better mocks were picking up on real interest. Behind the scenes there was a lot of interest in Primo but the media wasn't picking up on it until late. So Chad Ford is right that there were whispers about Primo. He was wrong about the position, though, because by the time final mocks were in, he was strongly valued by a number of teams in the late lottery. Meanwhile, the world was aghast when he was picked, but that's because they were reading mocks that weren't picking up on the change.
I believe you are 100% correct on the whole situation. There was no trading back because they believed he would be gone.
ahh I see your point now. I’m as casual as anyone when it comes to college basketball prospects; definitely the Canadian in me.
The mock at NBAdraft.net is a joke, pay no attention. It's useful for the purpose of tracking prospects, but it's clearly dettached from actual info. Orlando Robinson at 19, Kendall Brown at 34... Sochan at 23... It's overall ridiculous.
I'm watching Arkansas-Zaga, so I'm not seeing the other game. But Hunter Di(kinson has 12 points, 12 rebounds, and 3 AST's even though they're going to lose. We were talking about second round big men the other night, and I've been saying that he might be a bargain. This was a pretty good way to end the season.
Look I agree atm on this draft but the site has a reputation of getting a pretty decent % of picks accurate. Have a look at some of their previous mocks from years past. Not a bad hit rate overall...
I know the site, I think I followed the LeBron draft over there, and I've checked it out over the years (like when they were comparing Thiago Splitter to Dirk), then came DraftExpress, then it went away, then came many others. They've kept the site alive with minimal effort (shows on the interface), but it's clearly a legacy site that probably one random dude updates every month or so. My point being, don't read too much into their rankings, they don't reflect anything but their opinion. They're about as good as any fan could come up with.
I remember that conversation following the draft. I’m going to trust you on that. It felt like an over-anxious grab, but hopefully he develops into something special so this post, and my initial doubts about him, can get bumped a few times in 3 or 4 years!
To be fair I think Draft.Net is terrible I don't even use them anymore I put more faith in Tankathon to be honest but that is just me..
This is my feeling as well. They used to be better. It's low-effort now.I know the site, I think I followed the LeBron draft over there, and I've checked it out over the years (like when they were comparing Thiago Splitter to Dirk
Mathurin is listed as 6'6". I think theres some Jalen Duren-level lying about height going on here.
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