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Team needs a lot including a back up pg
Tony got to be a reliable 3pt shooter with his quirky stroke. I have better hope on Tre who is already excellent at FT and mid-range.
Team needs a lot including a back up pg
But it is compelling that Tre is outplaying his draft 41st, contrary to what this thread was suggesting, way into early 20ish imo, and could even prove to be higher
Who on the roster is a starter level power forward? Not even talking about on a contending team, I'm talking about for a solid play-off team, the ones no one considers contenders but their fan's always go hey they're in the pay-off if they get hot and a real contender has an injury or two they might get lucky.
I could see Keldon, or Devin both playing the three on a team like that, but both are too small to be among the 40 or so best active power forwards in the world, Yeah Keldon especially can play there and he's going to be a bench tier power forward towards the end of his NBA career. (good guy, works hard practices hard, competes hard, everyone loves him, does what the coaches want.) But he's naturally a 3 in the NBA. Devin is also a three and I actually think probably a slightly better player overall (which has me in disagreement with a good bit of the NBA, it might just be that Devin actually gets to play in position), that said both are going to be entering their primes basically in 2 and 3 years respectively and neither seems likely to take the leap between starter and star.
I'm not against some wing length but I think having a 6'9"+ guy at power forward makes more difference. Yeah Keldon is a bruiser at SF and based on foot speed and body type early 30s probably see's him move to a bench PF role. Devin and J-Rich both are reasonable at both wing spots. Primo as a combo guard.
Lets say 2022-23 season, PG Murray (6'4" age 26), SG Primo (6'6" age 20), SF Johnson (6'6" 23) Vassell or Richardson work here as well, either can also play some 2 which is fine spurs system inter changes those two spots. While I wouldn't turn down a good wing an inch or two taller the number of guys fast enough to play wing gets smaller very quickly for every inch above 6'5" The reason the spurs seem small is they have a simply average sized and rebounding 3 playing lots of minutes as the starting 4. If you draft or trade for a real PF Defense improves, Rebounding improves. Before this season the knock on Johnson was outside shooting.
Is Trey Jones the best back-up PG possible? Nope but he's also not a sore spot there.
At the continued lack of basic reading comprehension. This thread can't "not age well", if you understand the basic premise instead of trying to make it fit the narrative you want.
Iv been relatively impressed by Jones ability to run the floor and set up teammates, he just needs to work a little on his own offensive arsenal.
I'd agree that he's not a bad 41st pick but until dude develops a jumpshot from 3 point range he is not a good backup NBA point. I'm not sure if his contract is guaranteed for next year, but I don't see how he's an NBA rotation player at this point in time. Spurs should look elsewhere for the backup PG spot next year.
He isn’t fully guaranteed but he won’t be released. Sure he might get bumped to 3rd string PG if we bring in a more enticing PG to develop but to date Tre has exceeded expectations. The guy has a future somewhere as a 10-15 minute or deep bench backup PG somewhere already.
This team has given guys like Eubanks, Forbes and KBD full-time backup positions the last few years and ppl are complaining about Tre Jones not having a 3pt shot? WTF?!? He is only playing because this is a lost year to begin with and we sold high on D White.
I think the Spurs are about to get full with young prospects and Tre is likely to get pushed to 3rd string when the Spurs draft someone more promising. He reminds me a lot of his brother who is very solid but unspectacular. His brother has added the 3 though. The more limited he is, the more likely he’ll get pushed out of the rotation by someone else. These are things I don’t worry about bc while they seek to improve the team they will likely cycle through a lot of role players:
I think Tre only needs to add the 3pts and he would be better than his brother. https://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...uke-basketball
Numbers and Styles
Tyus Jones: 11.8 PPG, 5.6 APG, 3.5 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 41.7 FG%, 37.9 3P%
Tre Jones: 12.4 PPG, 5.8 APG, 4 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 41.9 FG%, 31.3 3P%
“On the defensive end, Tre was undoubtedly the better of the two, partly due to his larger build. He stands two inches taller than his older brother and was physically superior than his matchups most of the time. Tre had an average defensive rating of 95.7 per 100 possessions thanks to his relentless on-ball defense. While Tyus’ overall defensive contribution was at best average, he made up for his lack of size with agility and judgment. He was a decent pass interceptor and tallied 1.5 steals per game in college.”
Tre Jones was drafted just two years ago and people want him out of of the league cause he's not playing like Chris Paul. - facepalm.
I’d say this applies to you as well somewhat. A retro game…that sounds like shooting midrange shots. He shoots floaters some, but most of even those are in the paint. Modern game seems to be at the rim and 3s. He gets to the rim better than most players on the team, so I don’t see a huge issue. Having one of the best backup point guards to play behind an All Star point guard seems a little unrealistic and not the most important thing to focus on. But sure, I’d like him to shoot threes.
Some stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com...jonestr01.html
This year, Tre's shoots 34.0% of his shots at the rim, 31.7% from 3-10 feet, 17.7% from 10-16 feet, 2.6% from 16-3P, and 14.0% from beyond the arc. That last number is certainly too low for a modern point guard, but the 2.6% is perfectly fine for 16-3P and 17.7% isn't terribly high for 10-16. Maybe he could get closer to something like 40/20/13/2/25.
His numbers last year, though, were 39.7/33.3/19.2/1.3/6.4. His 3 point rate has gone from 6.4% to 14.0% so the trajectory is good.
I tried to find some ranking of best backup point guards in the NBA. Instead, I found Hollinger's ranking of all point guards. Honestly, I don't keep up with the rest of the league. But Tre Jones is ranked #35 in the NBA under Hollinger's criteria for point guards. So at least according to this list, Tre Jones is not considered one of the worst backup point guards in the league, and is probably top ten. But I'm happy to hear opposing point of views. If someone finds any other lists, please share.
https://insider.espn.com/nba/holling.../_/position/pg
I don’t have a horse in this race and honestly don’t care bc I think he will necessarily even last long in the team, but PER is such a bad stat to rank him 35th at, particularly in absence of him shooting the 3 at all.
Weak rebuttal, honestly. Your argument was mostly an emo rant. So yeah, it’s open to critique.
Go back and re-read my comments throughout the thread instead of trying to skew them to fit your biased narrative, apologist.
You really didn't have many comments in this thread. It seems you clarified that you think he's not bad in all facets but that you want Pop to play him with a very tight leash and bench him the second he doesn't shoot an outside shot when he's open. I would counter that your approach seems better suited for High School and not professional athletes. The other comments seemed to be an egregious use of the laughing emoji with nothing else to add. I'm not sure what you think i'm apologizing for...being a Spurs fan? Believing that Tre Jones will be a solid bench player and that he is making progress with his outside shot, and in fact has been making them, ironically, since this thread was started? Anyway, moving on...
That and I'm not expecting him to be a world beater in general or high volume nor so much as decent from 3 specifically. I just expect a small guard, who was a 2nd round pick, in his second season, in '22 (how's that for alliteration?) who has always had this knock, to at least take the wide open corner 3s teams gift him instead of being selfish and turning it into 4 on 5 offensively.
And if he's not, then it's in bent on the genius to do something about it. He used to threaten Bonner, among others, with this. That's not asking too much.
His shot from deep looked pretty good against the Pels last game. He's clearly putting in the work.
2-4 from 3 last night. This thread fizzled out fast
The two threes he hit were kind of odd. He backed out and then did a sort of run up to the line and nailed them. Missed the other two. Be interesting to see going forward.
Anyway, the guy's clearly put in the work shooting from outside. Took four, so he's taking them, but seems to not be entirely comfortable in some spots. I look forward to seeing him develop. I've been bullish on him from the start. He had two of the three (or so) things you really want from a backup point -- he's a great, willing defender, and he's an actual point guard. The three is coming.
Anyone know when he is available for an extension?
18pts 7a 7r
This didn’t age well at all.
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