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I'm not remotely interested in Gobert with that contract..
Sign Beal, then add frontcourt depth with our 3 FRP's
I'm not remotely interested in Gobert with that contract..
Pass on Gobert and Snyder, yes please on Mitc .
I'd be all in on a Gobert trade as long as the pieces we give up are only Poeltl, Doug, Lonnie in a sign and trade, and one of the celtics or raptors 1st round picks this year. Rudy would solve all of our center problems and between Dejounte, Devin, Tre, and Richardson we won't be toast on the perimeter either. All this talk about Rudy not stepping out to defend on the perimeter but the jazz perimeter players are awful defensively.
That 40 million pretty much sets our team in stone once we pay keldon, devin, and then dejounte again. But Dejounte, Devin, Keldon, Collins, Gobert is a VERY good starting 5 that is going to smash all but the 3 or 4 most elite teams in the nba.
That’s maybe good for the 6th seed in the west and has no goto scorer. Ben Simmons would have been a better addition and that isn’t saying much.
There are not 5 teams in the west better than that starting 5. There might not be 5 teams in the league better. All we would be giving up are players who aren't really doing anything for us anyway (lonnie via his inconsistency and Doug via his injury) a much better version of Poeltl in Gobert, and a low first round pick who highly likely won't ever be as good or effective as Gobert is right now. If the Jazz would except that deal I take it and laugh at them soon as soon as I turn around.
Ben Simmons would have been a better addition? He won't play one second of basketball this year, how would he be a better addition ?
We are only in the play-in because the Lakers have had injuries and other teams full on tanked. That trade basically has us replacing Jak with Gobert and all of a sudden we are a top team? LOL
I'd probably still do that trade but would need to see how long his contract is. I don't think it would vault us into a top tier, but by getting rid of Lonnie and McBuckets, and replacing Yak with a somewhat even better defender, I think our defense will be stout, but we would need KJ to be a 20 point scorer to get to the second round, maybe? Just spitballing off the top of my head. I mean, if we could trade those same players and pick and get someone better, than sure, but I don't see Utah doing this trade at all, so likely a moot point.
He is in his first year of a 205mm 5yr deal and if the Jazz blow it up that might be a respectable offer if you throw another FRP. That contract is a noose around your franchise if you don’t have the other pieces in place which we certainly do not.
2025/26 47.000.000
so people here don't want John Collins for 23 million per year cause it's an overpay, but Gobert at 40 million is a game changer?
Beal has nerve problems and it has completely ed his shooting up. No thanks for what he would cost.
Lol must be because he is French.so people here don't want John Collins for 23 million per year cause it's an overpay, but Gobert at 40 million is a game changer?
Well, at least Gobert is a three-time DPOY, so he has done a bit more than Collins. I also imagine him aging without falling off a cliff and working well in the Spurs' schemes.so people here don't want John Collins for 23 million per year cause it's an overpay, but Gobert at 40 million is a game changer?
The contract is rough though, especially the last two years...he would eat about a third of the cap, did I get that right? Keeping him as well as Murray, Johnson and Vassell might be a challenge then. On the other hand, the Spurs have four draft picks this year, i.e. four rookie contracts that would run out in Gobert's last contract year. Might be nothing, might be an indicator.
Also, not gonna lie, I'd be very interested to see a starting lineup with Murray, Vassell, Johnson, Zollins/Landale/new PF and Gobert.
Also #2, didn't the Spurs have an eye on Gobert back when he was drafted? And the guy doesn't seem to have any problem with playing and living in a small market afaik, too...it wouldn't surprise me too much if this move was the endgame for Wright after all.
End game as in his demise? Gobert hasn’t even asked out of Utah, but if Brian Wright has this level of foresight as you purport we could do better than Rudy Gobert no?
I'd do the Gobert trade, tbh, as much as I like Jakob. I think people watching him in the context of Utah really underrate his game and how he can play; he's not close to his offensive, NOR defensive ceiling. The Spurs as constructed already have a good presence of plus defenders (Dejounte, Vassell, Primo with an extra year of growth), and in a system with Gobert as the safety net, it'll allow all of them to play hounding defense and be risky going for steals and such (both Vassell and DJ in particular love to play that way).
His contract is awful, awful. But not untradeable or close to it should the need arise. The Spurs can perfectly give that team a go, get back to their defense-first oriented ways, and leverage their many young players and flexible contracts into a kind of "win now" situation. Would it be championship-level good? Remains to be seen, and most likely not. But it's as much a certainty as tanking is, tbh - there's no such thing as a one true path back to contention. I'd like the move if it came down to it, it's a clear direction and worth the shot while DJ is still under this friendly contract.
Having said all that - I'm not surrendering any valuable asset to the Jazz if I'm the Spurs. No way. Play into the Gobert/Mitc hatred dynamic, make your position advantageous... I'd go so far as asking for a pick or two in exchange for Jakob and filler, no Vassell, no Lonnie (unless he's filler or enticer), nothing. We'd certainly be doing the Jazz a big favor by taking Gobert off their cap projections, and should be rewarded as such. No deal otherwise.
Just for fun, imagine: the Spurs re-sign JRich as he's a great fit with the team. Do this trade under the aforementioned conditions (maybe getting Utah's 2022 pick). Use one or two of this years' draft picks to draft a PF for the future.
Then they trot out a SL of Murray, Vassell/Primo, Keldon, PF, Gobert. That's a damn scary defensive lineup. Dejounte no doubt will have as good a chemistry with Rudy as he does with Jakob, or maybe even better, and Keldon will definitely need to keep his scoring up (and Vassell, finally find his scoring, consistently), to make it work; but it's otherwise a great blueprint to build on, and requires no further tanking.
Certainly an option that should be on Wright's mind as the Jazz situation unfolds, tbh.
Gobert was drafted in 2013, which was before they changed all of the rules (2015) regarding fighting over screens, making everything a switch, the 3 pointer a LOT easier, and big men nearly irrelevant.
I was a fan of getting Gobert before he was making $40M, but that contract is unworkable for a non superstar.
Gobert’s contract isn’t so bad you have to pay someone to take him. This is a pipe dream.
Yep, I think people don't realize how bad the West and how bad we really are - Out of the last 35 games we have only won 3 games against teams who are above 500 that should pretty much tell you how talent starved we are
Agreed. I’m not down in our guys, there were many positive take aways from this season but we have a LONG way to go. An ass-star caliber PF makes us a playoff team and we have the ability to make that happen this off-season with abit if luck.
Yes, it is -- and yes, it is. It's obviously not a "probable" scenario or close to it, given the money, SanAn's state as a rebuilding team, the Jazz's probable wanting better, more star-focused deals in exchange for Rudy, etc etc.
Contracts are hardly "good" or "bad" in a vacuum (or well, every contract is good or bad when shallowly analyzed, but true, real good or bad contracts are rarer). Gobert's deal is already very high for someone of his archetype of play (and tbh, the main reason I'm perfectly ok with the Spurs not pulling the trigger on this trade, ever), and in the Jazz's situation? It's an awful contract.
He makes 40. Million. Dollars. a year. For the next what, 4-5? And that's hardly the worst part -- your team's other, actual superstar, the building block for the future, and also your other $40m a year man... Hates him. To the bone. They literally can't coexist, which means you've got two $40M-sized nooses, and have to choose which one you tie 'round your neck.
I'd be extremely surprised to see the Jazz, if and when they break that duo up, come out of it with more than one "positive" asset, beyond salary filler. Yes, it's that bad.
Multiple teams will be lining up to give a small asset and filler to get Gobert AND a future FRP. Many teams in this league are virtually salary cap agnostic.
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