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Davis is the kind of guy who could drop to a pretty good team and wreak havoc in an existing structure. I could even see him being pretty good in Portland if Lillard is back.
If the Spurs end up drafting at 10 and assuming Murray/Mathurin are gone I’d be cool with Eason, Sochan, or Duren. Johnny Davis isn’t horrible at that spot but I have a feeling he may drop further.
Davis is the kind of guy who could drop to a pretty good team and wreak havoc in an existing structure. I could even see him being pretty good in Portland if Lillard is back.
We need front court players………that’s all. BTW don’t forget, we must like ol’ Romeo!
I’m not at all familiar with Terquavion Smith but he’s been added to Chad Ford/ Rafael Barlowe’s latest mock.
I’ve seen hair triggers before but if this guy was a video game character, he’s getting nerfed in the next patch…
I think it's your opinion, no problem with that but i could totally see a gm taking griffin before murray... Griffin is not trending donward, he has a good march madness except the last game. If i'm sure Griffin will not be injury prone, i'll take him before Murray.
I see some Bam Adebayo comparison to Jalen Duren. Anyone? Even statistically at college, they're quite similar. Kinda want him as a lottery pick if available.
Bam Adebayo (Kentucky)
Per Game
Season School Conf G GS MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS SOS 2016-17 Kentucky SEC 38 38 30.1 4.5 7.5 .599 4.5 7.5 .599 0.0 0.0 4.1 6.2 .653 3.1 4.9 8.0 0.8 0.7 1.5 1.7 2.6 13.0 10.49 Career Kentucky 38 38 30.1 4.5 7.5 .599 4.5 7.5 .599 0.0 0.0 4.1 6.2 .653 3.1 4.9 8.0 0.8 0.7 1.5 1.7 2.6 13.0 10.49
Jalen Duren (Memphis)
Per Game
Season School Conf G GS MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS SOS 2021-22 Memphis AAC 29 29 25.3 4.9 8.1 .597 4.9 8.1 .600 0.0 0.0 .000 2.2 3.6 .625 3.0 5.2 8.1 1.3 0.8 2.1 2.2 2.7 12.0 7.86 Career Memphis 29 29 25.3 4.9 8.1 .597 4.9 8.1 .600 0.0 0.0 .000 2.2 3.6 .625 3.0 5.2 8.1 1.3 0.8 2.1 2.2 2.7 12.0 7.86
If not and available, maybe Shaedon Sharpe is worth a gamble in terms of upside. Tari Eason seems a safe pick but he seems a guy that you'll pick between 15th-20th.
If you can't get one of the three bigs (Banchero, Jabari or Chet), Shaedon Sharpe looks like the best option (but he may be gone by 9-11 or wherever the Spurs end up).
Duren is interesting but how tall is he really?
Looks 6'9, although he's listed taller.
Sharpe if he will pans out is the guy who can strive in the NBA esp. how he plays just doesn't know anything much to him outside of the highlights from his high school and what's the real reason why he was sat out this season in NCAA.
Duren listed as 6'11" (7'5" - Wingspan) but he looks like 6'9" / 6'10" to me. Not much of an issue tho since he's quite mobile but he might have an issue guarding up bigger than him but he's still 18 years old so he can still grow a few inches and if not, he can still bulk up - his body looks like an NBA ready type already.
After watching Davis a little bit (though not a ton), I'm actually intrigued as a backup option for our first pick and seems like a no brainer if he drops to our second FRP. I'm still not into the midrange game because it gives me PTSD flashbacks of DDR, but I wasn't fully aware that Davis actually plays scrappy defense. He seems like one of the more tenacious, hardworking players in the draft. I mean, he plays on both sides of the ball, which is a great starting point. Not sure if he'd be a starter with us, but could definitely see him being a high end 6th man, but actually plays quality defense. You would have to hope that his 3P shooting comes around. It probably won't completely.
He looks extremely agile, and though maybe not a total combine warrior with vertical pop and quick twitch athleticism and all that , but his athleticism seems very functional. He seems to get in the lane with ease, and we definitely need a player who can break down a defense and get into the paint. His assists need to be way higher, but yeah, big picture, there's something to work with here. Lonnie Walker would have to be gone to even consider drafting him, however. Anyway. Random thoughts.
I don't think there's any way Davis lasts beyond the lottery, especially in this draft.
Yeah, probably not. Probably shouldn't be our main target but if we end up late lottery and our preferred picks are gone, he's probably worth a pick. I think I'd rather take him dropping then reach for someone who hasn't done much yet.
Isn't Sharpe plans to play for Kentucky next year as per Calipari?
Don't think he will declare for the coming draft although I really want the spurs picking him
He can still declare since he's eligible AFAIK.
It's something Calipari will said because he needs to but to Sharpe's camp, they'll probably gauge where he'll be picked (which is in the lottery) before the deadline of declaring.
Pretty sure the Kentucky will try to convince him to stay but the smart thing to do is to declare since it's guaranteed he'll have an NBA contract already instead of risking his health in NCAA - he's one-and-done anyways.
So now that we’re in the play in tournament, what happens to this years 1st round pick? Is it locked in or do we move down into the latter teens if we make the playoffs by winning in the play in tournament?
If comes down to whether we make the playoffs or not. If not, we pick at 9 (currently, and depends on the outcome of the lottery... could be 1-4 or 10 or lower also), otherwise we pick at 15
Last edited by Ariel; 04-06-2022 at 07:09 AM.
A 14th pick and a 30th pick is leading their team to 1st in the East
A 15th pick (a future HOFer) is leading his team to 2nd in the East
a 14th pick and a 2nd rounder is leading his team to 5th in the West
a second rounder (a future HOFer) is leading his team to 6th in the West
The Spurs can find their franchise player (if Murray isn’t one already) without a top 5 pick.
Of course they can, Denver drafted Jokic at 41. But that was never the question. The point is, if the gains from making the playoffs (through player development or rise in player value for future trades) warrant the potentially steep price in draft stock drop. Some say yes (presumably you), I beg to differ. We'll see.
It’s very possible the Spurs’ own scouts are telling them the talent difference between the projected 6-9 picks and the end of the lottery are negligible. Superior talent is found past the top 5 every year. This “make it or break it” at ude towards not getting a top pick is unwarranted. Time travel back to the years Parker and Ginobili or even Kawhi were drafted and tell those Spurs scouts that they weren’t going to find players that were any good because they weren’t drafting in a good range.
Folks have an image of a player they can rally behind. That image is a top draft pick. What people don’t get is that it comes in all shapes and forms. People didn’t think David was an image of a warrior that could take down Goliath. For a long time, DJ wasn’t their image for a future star either. And before folks say, “I knew along that DJ…” then why the are we worried about not getting another player of his caliber?
read your bibles, people ismael-robert
That's a flawed line of thinking for a couple of reasons. First, if you make the playoffs, your lottery chances are ZERO. If you pick at 9, you still have 20 something percent chances of picking top 4, which is a DRAMATIC increment in your odds. Also, just because the best talent is still available it doesn't mean you'd take it. If you pick at 1, you have every possible player at your disposal, meaning you alone could prevent you from drafting the best player available. If you pick at 15, you not only have to identify the best player, you have to count on 14 teams passing on such player, and that diminishes DRAMATICALLY your chances. That's not a matter of scouting, it's a matter of logic and mathematics.
Also, Spurs scouts have a pretty good track record, it'd be foolish to challenge that, but they're not infallible (Primo at 12? really?). And they're not the only good scouts out there...
Dejounte Murray is the first all star caliber player the Spurs have drafted in the late first round in the past 20 years. And it took 5 years for him to become an All Star... counting on one unlikely successful event repeating over and over is not a good policy.
The bible says water can be turned into wine. People sitting there waiting for it to happen in the last 2000 years haven't had such luck.
Last edited by Ariel; 04-06-2022 at 08:19 AM.
I agree with most of what you write, but here's a counter-point:
Depending on the draft, 1 or 2 draft positions can make a huge difference. Here's an article from 2019 that goes into the odds that someone makes an all-star team (based on draft position).
https://threesandlayups.com/2019/05/...all-star-team/
Obviously there is a huge drop off after the first few picks, and getting the best draft position helps with those odds to make it a one-time tanking year.
Now, the Spurs are good at scouting and drafting, so I would assume those odds are greater for our team. However, that doesn't matter if the person you want gets selected right before your pick (and this can happen at any range of the draft). For example, the 2008 draft had 24 Serge Ibaka - 25 Nicolas Batum - 26 George Hill. We got a of a trade from shipping out Hill, but Ibaka and Batum would probably have contributed to a championship before 2014. And then the 2013 draft had 27 Rudy Gobert go one spot before our 28 Livio Jean-Charles.
I think it could be improved if, instead of looking at all stars PICKED at a given draft position, they'd looked at all stars AVAILABLE at a given draft position. That would better represent the value of picking at a given spot, irrespective of whether the pick was actually the best player available at that spot or not. But thanks for the article nonetheless, it's interesting and very relevant to the point at hand.
When you first mentioned David, I thought you meant David Robinson. Lol.
Presuming they don't trade it, the pick lands in the most likely range and the draft plays out according to projections until that point (in addition to the five locks, Mathurin, Griffin Jr., Sharpe seem most likely to round out the top 8), Davis, Daniels, Branham all seem like typical Spurs picks.
Agbaji does too, but more so in a scenario where they move up into the late lottery, with Dieng, Jovic and Baldwin Jr. as late round possibilities.
Not a chance. He's going 5 or 6 at worst. The four is by far the most difficult position to fill and every year recently the top one(s) either rise or go at the peak of their range.
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