You simply can't win with ur point guard being the leading scorer, unless ur PG is like 6'9 or something...
With that said, I think next season if we form an offense around Keldon playing his true position (SF) and Vassel playing SG, Not only will we have 2 dynamic wing scorers, but we will have great wing defense... Both can play off-ball and both can create their own offense... Keldon is big enough to bully opposing SF...
We also need an actual big at PF that can spread the floor... No more tiny players playing out of position...so yes,Murray as a 3rd option would be amazing...with The coming off the bench with his speed and penetration to lead the bench mob
I think this is the general consensus in ST. Keldon is a defensive liability at 4 which seems to necessitate him playing at SF, plus his high 3pt % and growing ability to play facing the basket. One hopes he continues improving his lateral speed to cover quicker SF.
I think most agree here with any disagreements being in the details. We really need a fringe All-Star PF, badly.
Murray / Jones
Vassell / Primo
Johnson / J-Rich
(Draft or FA) / Collins
Poeltl / (Draft or FA)
You ever heard of Steph Curry or Tony Parker?
Ja Morant. Allen Iverson. Donovan Mitc . Probably a hundred more examples out there.
Sometimes I'm confused as to whether duncan2k5 is a troll or if his takes are real.
I stopped reading after that first sentence of his, tbh.
Keldon is a problem because he is such a tweener in size and speed --neither fish nor fowl-- for any frontline position but his shooting has improved so much that he almost has to start instead of leading a bench second unit. That says something about our other shooters (?), doesn't it?
I notice that no one mentions Lonnie in the above posts. I wonder sometimes if he wouldn't be a better SF than guard. He is powerfully built, great leaper, and has decent speed. He could be a defensive tiger and rebounder if he was interested and motivated to concentrate more on his defense. It ought to be embarrassing to him to see tre Jones get more rebounds than him.
Too many guys with higher ceilings than where they are in their careers right now. They play with no consistency and don't seem to have the necessary motivation from game to game to utilize what they have.
1) What have those guys won?
2) Since when is Mitc a PG?
It's a good point if the argument is no le team has been lead by a PG leading scorer in the current 2000s era. Curry is a once-in-lifetime talent with his one real ring, and Parker I don't think had over 20ppg, not to mention had those other two guys in whichever year he lead the team in scoring.
If they get to the level of le contender it will be safe to say they'll have another surefire scorer who'll naturally take the ppg lead anyway.
Though Morant may be the first guy to break the argument.
Steph Curry won a ring as his teams leading scorer.
Tony Parker won a ring as his team's leading scorer.
Might wanna rethink that one OP. While I generally agree with what you're saying you kinda face planted in the very first sentence lol
Draymond is just as much, if not more, the warriors point guard as Curry, no matter the labels. I think I generally agree that it’s better for a team’s outcome if their main scorer plays off the ball a lot. Think of the Rockets with Harden and Thunder with Westbrook. Those types of offenses tend to suffer in the playoffs.
I don’t think the spurs are going to be in the same boat. The Spurs’ scoring is pretty evenly distributed and trending in the right direction.
None of those guys won les.
duncan2K5 said win, he didn't say championships.
RC_Drunkford already said Curry and Parker as two champion examples.
Positionless basketball really nullifies any sort of argument about the height of your point guard and whether he leads the team in scoring.
For the most part teams are winning champions because of guard/sg/sf/c/pf in the past not pg
I don't know man. I just don't like the idea of a PG being the top scorer. They should be a focused on assisting and setting up offenses. Curry not really a PG, he's more like Forbes with 1000000% better play-making and shooting. Parker wouldn't have done without TD and Manu, sorry.
What has pop done since Duncan Robinson Parker were not spurs
Any playoff wins ????????!
Waiting
That's a terrible argument granted it is factual but it overlooks that Tony Parker was averging only 16.7 a game on a team where the sum of the parts between him Duncan, Kawhi, Manu were pretty even talent wise. He wasn't head and shoulders the best player on that team. I would say Tim was the best player but it was only by small margin compared to previous le runs.
You usually don't win les when your best player is a typical sized PG.
Why though?
I legit did too.
Well, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Allen Iverson (didn't win it all but who litterally brought his team to the Finals by himself), Steph Curry... , you could argue Jordan and Lebron were Bulls and Cavs real PGs.
Murray needs 2 better players than him if a team with him want to win anything. As of right now he's a very poor version of an OKC Westbrick.
Last edited by Texas_Ranger; 04-07-2022 at 06:58 AM.
I wouldn't say Murray is a poor version of OKC Westbrook. I'd say he's a little bit of a lesser version with the possibility of getting even better, but also, Murray does some things better. I think he's developing into a better shooter than Westbrook, and might end up being a much better shooter when it's all said and done. He also has better shot selection, and his decision making isn't as bad as Westbrook who at times was wild and out of control.
Jordan absolutely was. Did people really think Paxson or Kerr were?
Murray is for sure a better defender and his iq is also higher than Westbrook's who is probably one of the dumbest players ever to play basketball. But he did get that ty OKC team in the playoffs, so i gotta give him that.
I somewhat agree. Steph was pretty much on a Rookie contract not to mention Klay Thompson & Draymond playing huge roles. There are great point guards today but most havnt won a championship. Wait until they take up most of the cap space when they’re rookie contracts are up. Then teams have to sign average centers & fowards that cant do much. A 6’6/6’7 guard can guard 4 positions in todays league. A PG cant. Love DJs progress he’s now an allstar, overpaying a pg is like overpaying a running back in the NFL. With us we have flexibility though since no major FAs want to come here. We may have to fork up the 200 million contract for DJ to keep us atleast 1/2nd round playoff contenders, unless we find that allstar foward.
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