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    This. I will give LeBron credit that he has done about all that can expected of him at his age. They had him playing center at times, for god's sake. And he still has a chance at the scoring le.

    Their problems really fall on Davis not being able to stay healthy (nothing new), Westbrook being a terrible fit and not knowing what to do when he doesn't have the ball in his hands to chase trip-dubs, and their role players either being washed-up vets or cast-offs from other teams. Oh, and Vogel doesn't seem to have much of a gameplan other than "go out there and give the ball to LeBron" and it shows.
    To me the biggest problem was Anthony Davis. A softer player you may never see. Putting his fragility aside, he should have been carrying this team. He just turned 29 years old, for 's sake! With a team full of geezers, he should have been carrying the team in the regular season but he didn't even do this when he could. I've never seen a player of his supposed stature be such a beta. , he wasn't even a beta.

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    To me the biggest problem was Anthony Davis. A softer player you may never see. Putting his fragility aside, he should have been carrying this team. He just turned 29 years old, for 's sake! With a team full of geezers, he should have been carrying the team in the regular season but he didn't even do this when he could. I've never seen a player of his supposed stature be such a beta. , he wasn't even a beta.
    Yeah, who the put him on that list of the 75 all time best?

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    I think Lebron knew they were screwed and so he sat out these last couple of games rather than suffer the humiliation of being on the floor with AD and the Lakers still sucking ass.

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    Looking at the potential play in matchups and I'm thinking the Spurs might just find themselves in the playoffs and lose out on the lottery pick.

    The only team I don't think they can beat is Minnesota, so assuming they win their first game, I'd almost give favorable odds that the Spurs win both games, assuming Nephew doesn't come back.

    Wondering what the average Spurs fan would think of blowing our chances in the lottery and having like the 15th pick? Likely have the 20th to 23rd and the 26th too.

    Better to try to trade up and get a potential game changer or take 3 picks in the 1st? What do you do if you're PATFO?

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    Yeah, who the put him on that list of the 75 all time best?
    Wait, he's on the list? For real?

    Wow, I could give you 100 players in history better than this guy.

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    I think Lebron knew they were screwed and so he sat out these last couple of games rather than suffer the humiliation of being on the floor with AD and the Lakers still sucking ass.
    Possible indeed.

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    Yeah, who the put him on that list of the 75 all time best?
    ESPN.

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    Wait, he's on the list? For real?

    Wow, I could give you 100 players in history better than this guy.
    There were talks on Lakersground and RealGM about whether he's better than Timmy after 2020

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    There were talks on Lakersground and RealGM about whether he's better than Timmy after 2020
    Of course AD is better than Tim after 2020.
    Now, Tim is only good for warming up our centers.

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    Hoping we lose to Minny tomorrow tbh. Don’t wanna pass New Orleans in the standings in case we miss the playoffs. They still have to play Memphis and GSW.

    Also want Minnesota to win out so they can potentially pass Chicago and Toronto in the standings which would push our pick from the Raps from 20 to 18.
    Minnesota will certainly try to win its last two in hopes of catching Denver. But Denver would need to lose out … including game 82 against the Lakers

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    AD being overrated and Lebron for being a horrible GM are the main issues, which led to...Westbrook instead of DDR? Horrible. Amazing that the team owners didn't want to make further horrible moves and enable Lebron even more, but probably because they can already tell that he's out the door talking about playing with his son on a team. But what to do? It's not in their nature to lean into a rebuild I wouldn't think, but trading Lebron and AD make the most sense to me.

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    I‘m not talking about the Lakers, I am talking about what he did as a First option on the Pelicans where he played with Jrue Holiday and did literally nothing. And don’t make excuses about injuries when AD is the one who‘s always injured.

    Oh but he took the Lakers to the championship as a 2nd option in the BUBBLE. Put a big * behind that since you want to talk about context Now he can‘t even take them to the play in. GTFOH
    I've followed this league for 25 years and seen 4 (Jordan, O'Neal, Duncan, James) capable of taking virtually any roster to the playoffs. Holding anyone to that standard is ridiculous.

    He was at worst the co-first option and the cir stances were equal for all teams, which means no asterisk.

    Other than possibly the start of this season, he hasn't been healthy since genius. He's definitely fragile and more Robinson/Garnett than Olajuwon/Duncan in terms of being better as a finisher than creator, but the criticism he receives is mostly because of his affiliation with the Lakers.

    He's never pulled the S bag has and just did something else the latter never would, by coming off a significant injury, clearly still hobbled and playing out the string in a lost season instead of hiding from the embarrassment.


    I've never seen a player of his supposed stature be such a beta. , he wasn't even a beta.
    And you call yourself a Spurs fan.

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    derozan to LA was always a respect issue i think. Chicago had assets to do a sign and trade and give him fair money. LA did not. We will never know if Derozan would take vet min to play with lebron, but we can be pretty sure derozan is pissed they didn't even ask.

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    derozan to LA was always a respect issue i think. Chicago had assets to do a sign and trade and give him fair money. LA did not. We will never know if Derozan would take vet min to play with lebron, but we can be pretty sure derozan is pissed they didn't even ask.

    The story floating around is he wanted a 3rd year and the lakers would only do 2

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    It would be the first in the West, so Phoenix, since the winner of the 7-8 spots Play In game will play the second in the West. Basically, we play NO, if we win we play the loser of MIN/LAC for a chance to play Phoenix, and the winner of the MIN/LAC game goes to Memphis.
    Ah ok

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    FiveThirtyEight Raptor Centers, minimum 1071 minutes (their default)

    Bottom 5 WAR

    47) Isaiah Stewart
    48) Richaun Holmes
    50) Chimezie Metu
    51) Drew Eubanks
    52) Marcus Morris, Sr.

    That felt good to type.
    Well, if you're going by that metric:

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    Darius Bazley
    CJ Elleby
    Jordan Nwora
    Doug McDermott
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    Probably true, but, LeBron's play is not the real problem with the Lakers. He is playing at an unprecedented level for his age and position.
    They have an ill-fitting roster for these times in the NBA. Management is the problem there.
    LeBron IS management. In the past, he’s taken worse rosters further, but the first crack was when he felt the need to sprit AD from N.O. He knew that he could no longer carry a team to a championship. Now, he can’t even carry one to the play in. It’s not about level of play, it’s about deteriorating health and durability. That’s how Father Time gets you, and why he’s undefeated.

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    Wondering what the average Spurs fan would think of blowing our chances in the lottery and having like the 15th pick? Likely have the 20th to 23rd and the 26th too.

    Better to try to trade up and get a potential game changer or take 3 picks in the 1st? What do you do if you're PATFO?

    The averge fan would hate it. But at least half the people here would cheer for it.

    I think it's really unlikely that the Spurs would keep all three players from their first round picks. And I don't see any team trading the 1 or 2 draft pick this year for later picks in the same draft. The one thing I really hope they don't do is send the Rap's or C's pick out for a future protected pick that winds up conveying as a second rounder later.

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    The averge fan would hate it. But at least half the people here would cheer for it.

    I think it's really unlikely that the Spurs would keep all three players from their first round picks. And I don't see any team trading the 1 or 2 draft pick this year for later picks in the same draft. The one thing I really hope they don't do is send the Rap's or C's pick out for a future protected pick that winds up conveying as a second rounder later.
    I don’t see them keeping all three picks.

    Heck, in a different sport, the Eagles just downsized from three to two firsts (punting a year and picking up assets) mainly because it gets complicated to extend everyone on same schedule. And it’s only exacerbated in NBA where you only have so many roster spots … not an issue in NFL.

    The roster is already somewhat crowded so they need to make targeted upgrades and clear some logjams. They have plenty of assets - picks, solid players and palatable contracts - to make that happen. Oh, and cap space.

    (On a related topic, no idea what OKC is going to do with all of its picks)

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    Wondering what the average Spurs fan would think of blowing our chances in the lottery and having like the 15th pick?
    Kawhi and Greek Freak both #15 picks.

    We can dream, right?

    Update: Steve Nash and Brent Barrdawg too.

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    LeBron IS management.
    Bingo. Lakers can't point the finger at roster construction and then act like LeBron isn't at least somewhat to blame since he's helping call the shots.

    Magic Johnson recently shared on ESPN that he wanted DeRozan, and DeRozan had called him to tell him he wanted to go to L.A. Magic shared with the Laker's FO and assumed it was a done then, then went on vacation. At that point, LeBron started talking with Westbrook and went above Magic's head to force Russ on the team.

    Dude made this bed, and now he gets to sleep in it. Lakers aren't trading Davis, and they ain't moving Westbrook's contract without giving up more draft capital which they don't really have. Dude is a declining player who (I believe) will be the highest paid player in the NBA next year. He's already dropping hints about how he'd like to play with Steph.

    LeBron's only other recourse is to force a trade himself, and I wouldn't put it past him. That's been his MO....bleed an organization dry for wins, then bounce when the assets run out.

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    I don’t see them keeping all three picks.

    Heck, in a different sport, the Eagles just downsized from three to two firsts (punting a year and picking up assets) mainly because it gets complicated to extend everyone on same schedule. And it’s only exacerbated in NBA where you only have so many roster spots … not an issue in NFL.

    The roster is already somewhat crowded so they need to make targeted upgrades and clear some logjams. They have plenty of assets - picks, solid players and palatable contracts - to make that happen. Oh, and cap space.

    (On a related topic, no idea what OKC is going to do with all of its picks)
    OKC about to draft an entirely new team around SGA

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    The averge fan would hate it. But at least half the people here would cheer for it.

    I think it's really unlikely that the Spurs would keep all three players from their first round picks. And I don't see any team trading the 1 or 2 draft pick this year for later picks in the same draft. The one thing I really hope they don't do is send the Rap's or C's pick out for a future protected pick that winds up conveying as a second rounder later.
    Agreed on all points.

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    (On a related topic, no idea what OKC is going to do with all of its picks)
    That's a great point. Maybe trade them for future firsts?

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    To me the biggest problem was Anthony Davis. A softer player you may never see. Putting his fragility aside, he should have been carrying this team. He just turned 29 years old, for 's sake! With a team full of geezers, he should have been carrying the team in the regular season but he didn't even do this when he could. I've never seen a player of his supposed stature be such a beta. , he wasn't even a beta.
    AD is such wuss. I've watched him play in person a few times when he was in NO, and he used to get so much attention from trainers over the course of a game. He gets a lot of owies during games that don't get the attention of the cameras. I'm surprised they don't have his mom sitting on the sideline to kiss every boo-boo during time outs.

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