Spurs Trade Rumor Thread (Spurs eyeing Collins, Osman? Fielding calls on Jak?)

[Seventyniner]

Plenty of teams would have lined up to give AD a max contract, and for the right price plenty of teams would be willing to trade for him. He's an All-NBA level talent locked up for 4 more years. Say what you will about his at ude, but if the Lakers decide to trade him they will have a list of suitors.

[JPB]

You're not wrong, it's a lot but it was still worth it because they rang.

Meanwhile this overpay will likely not result in a le for NO. Not that AD staying there would have, mind.

You're right about that although one could argue about long term future or even short term since they're not even in the PO this year (they had injuries but their roster is prett weak past their big 3).

They basically jeopardized their future for one ring, some would say it was worth it, but we know how quick people forget in sports, as the they're getting now attests... Lebron is getting old and a no show on defense, Westbrook is an albatros and Davis doesn't seem like an alpha, with trade rumours.

And then all those picks and pick swaps, with no real young stud to salivate about. People will say "it's the Lake Show, they'll aways sign top tier FAs"... Maybe but only if these guys feel like they have a shot at ringing otherwise it can transform in a boomerang in LA"...

[wildbill2u]

Neither can Dragic return to Miami, and for the same reason.

Perhaps I'm thinking too much CIA Pop, but could the recent highlight video that greeted Ewbanks on his recent return to Spurs arena be a subtle message that we might welcome him back as a free agent next year as a PF candidate? He's actually playing pretty well with his new team on a short term contract.

[Seventyniner]

And then all those picks and pick swaps, with no real young stud to salivate about. People will say "it's the Lake Show, they'll aways sign top tier FAs"... Maybe but only if these guys feel like they have a shot at ringing otherwise it can transform in a boomerang in LA"...

The Lakers ed their draft situation for the next several years in the AD trade, and ed their cap situation with Westbrook. Hard to sign marquee FAs with only the MLE, especially the taxpayer MLE, and hard to clear your cap with no draft assets to attach.

[exstatic]

Perhaps I'm thinking too much CIA Pop, but could the recent highlight video that greeted Ewbanks on his recent return to Spurs arena be a subtle message that we might welcome him back as a free agent next year as a PF candidate? He's actually playing pretty well with his new team on a short term contract.

Same thing. We can’t sign him for a year. I wouldn’t want to. He’s putting up decent counting stats on a team that cares neither about winning or defense.

[John B]

Perhaps I'm thinking too much CIA Pop, but could the recent highlight video that greeted Ewbanks on his recent return to Spurs arena be a subtle message that we might welcome him back as a free agent next year as a PF candidate? He's actually playing pretty well with his new team on a short term contract.

Nah moving on.. We have 4 potential rookies coming. I mean 1-out-of-4 of getting a keeper, plus a huge salary cap, nice movable assets for potential trade, I’d be totally surprised if Wright couldn’t make this right.

[John B]

Plenty of teams would have lined up to give AD a max contract, and for the right price plenty of teams would be willing to trade for him. He's an All-NBA level talent locked up for 4 more years. Say what you will about his at ude, but if the Lakers decide to trade him they will have a list of suitors.

Nah the guy gets injured cutting a hang nail.

[CGD]

Prolly only few teams will be interested in getting him like - Bulls, Knicks, Mavs but Lakers will prolly ask more so the deal will not eventually push-thru then there's LeBron who was something to say.
But then, his contract ($37M, $40M, #43M - player option) not friendly either and he only played like only 50% (2020-2021 - 36 out of 72 / 2021-2022 - 40 out of 82) in each season for the last 2 season.

I think LeBron has reached the age/point in his career where a team like the Lakers can blow him off on his demands, especially after this Westbrick fiasco.

[baseline bum]

Plenty of teams would have lined up to give AD a max contract, and for the right price plenty of teams would be willing to trade for him. He's an All-NBA level talent locked up for 4 more years. Say what you will about his at ude, but if the Lakers decide to trade him they will have a list of suitors.

locked up for four years meaning anything in today's NBA

[spurraider21]

locked up for four years meaning anything in today's NBA

i mean... it does. he's under contract. even if he demands a trade, you get something back for him. its not meaningless at all

[baseline bum]

i mean... it does. he's under contract. even if he demands a trade, you get something back for him. its not meaningless at all

Oh wow a couple of draft picks and players the team he goes to doesn't want anymore when he forces his way there.

[spurraider21]

Oh wow a couple of draft picks and players the team he goes to doesn't want anymore when he forces his way there.

Sometimes a team gives up players they do want for an opportunity to upgrade. Spurs gave up splitter to make space for LMA

[NickiRasgo]

I think LeBron has reached the age/point in his career where a team like the Lakers can blow him off on his demands, especially after this Westbrick fiasco.

Probably and the Lakers might even consider trading him but they're stuck anyways - they don't have much assets in the near future until 2026 (assuming the Pelicans got all the Lakers' picks up to 2025) I believe and it's not like they're currently the team that a big named free agent that wanted to play for with LeBron's age, AD's durability, team depth and their assets.

But who knows, there might be a stupid team to trade for Westbrook this coming offseason by giving too much assets.

[mo7888]

But who knows, there might be a stupid team to trade for Westbrook this coming offseason by giving too much assets.

Could be but I expect LA to waive and stretch him...thereby extending his cap hit for years to come..

[Mr. Body]

I may be crazy, but the Lakers don't have to be completely ty if they pick up some good young players like that Austin Reaves kid. You need bargains, cast-offs, hungry young players who can mesh around the old assholes.

The problem is it takes a shrewd GM. Sean Marks did this when he took over a Brooklyn Nets franchise that had traded years of draft picks away for those old Celtic dudes. He picked up players who needed second chances like Spencer Dinwhiddie, got bargains like D'Angelo Russell, good draft picks like Caris Lavert. He's still doing it like Kessler Edwards in the 2nd round.

It's not impossible. But the team is controlled by Klutch and they have no idea how to do this.

[mo7888]

I may be crazy, but the Lakers don't have to be completely ty if they pick up some good young players like that Austin Reaves kid. You need bargains, cast-offs, hungry young players who can mesh around the old assholes.

The problem is it takes a shrewd GM. Sean Marks did this when he took over a Brooklyn Nets franchise that had traded years of draft picks away for those old Celtic dudes. He picked up players who needed second chances like Spencer Dinwhiddie, got bargains like D'Angelo Russell, good draft picks like Caris Lavert. He's still doing it like Kessler Edwards in the 2nd round.

It's not impossible. But the team is controlled by Klutch and they have no idea how to do this.

Yup...but the main issue I see is Lebron still wants vets on the cheap around him....he had success with that when he was a young player and he's not self aware enough to realize that at his age, in this era, that he's the vet that needs to help the young athletic guys..

[NickiRasgo]

Could be but I expect LA to waive and stretch him...thereby extending his cap hit for years to come..

Hopefully no team will be stupid enough to make a trade for Westbrook so they'll be stuck with him for another year.

I may be crazy, but the Lakers don't have to be completely ty if they pick up some good young players like that Austin Reaves kid. You need bargains, cast-offs, hungry young players who can mesh around the old assholes.

The problem is it takes a shrewd GM. Sean Marks did this when he took over a Brooklyn Nets franchise that had traded years of draft picks away for those old Celtic dudes. He picked up players who needed second chances like Spencer Dinwhiddie, got bargains like D'Angelo Russell, good draft picks like Caris Lavert. He's still doing it like Kessler Edwards in the 2nd round.

It's not impossible. But the team is controlled by Klutch and they have no idea how to do this.

The main problem with the Lakers is the expectation and pressure from franchise and fanbase - if you can't deliver when they're expecting you to, they'll attack you mentally. Look what happened to Westbrook this season. Players that will play there should be mentally strong and esp. with LeBron's around, hard to make a mistake. See how many (good young) players blossomed more after getting out from the Lakers.

[baseline bum]

Could be but I expect LA to waive and stretch him...thereby extending his cap hit for years to come..

That is still allowed in the CBA? Always thought that was only a one time per team provision from the CBA agreed to in the mid teens, but haven't kept on the CBA terms since.

[mo7888]

That is still allowed in the CBA? Always thought that was only a one time per team provision from the CBA agreed to in the mid teens, but haven't kept on the CBA terms since.

It's still there.. Lakers are openly talking about doing it...

[talkspurs]

I still want the spurs to trade for westbrook. send out mcdermet. We would get back 2 1st rd picks un protected in 27 and 29. If they would not do both then I would probably walk. They were not willing to do one during the season but it has gotten worse for him there so tradeing him saves them lots of money. the Spurs could just waive him which would move their cap space to next year since it basically would have all be spent on him.

[Chinook]

That is still allowed in the CBA? Always thought that was only a one time per team provision from the CBA agreed to in the mid teens, but haven't kept on the CBA terms since.

Confusing it with amnesty. Stretching is standard now. Stretching the actual payments is mandatory, but a team releasing a player before 09/01 can choose to stretch the cap hit over twice the remaining years plus 1.

[baseline bum]

Confusing it with amnesty. Stretching is standard now. Stretching the actual payments is mandatory, but a team releasing a player before 09/01 can choose to stretch the cap hit over twice the remaining years plus 1.

Yeah guess I was confusing the two. The amnesty provision was where the stretch first came from though wasn't it?

[Chinook]

Yeah guess I was confusing the two. The amnesty provision was where the stretch first came from though wasn't it?

The amnesty as far as I know didn't make any distinction about how the money was paid off, and it completely left the books. Like if the Lakers had the amnesty clause available, they'd be able to remove all of Russ' salary forever. Teams were also allowed to claim players like on NFL waivers but pay only part of the salary. It wasn't a horrible system, honestly. I think it could work if you changed it to only include players still with their signing club and reduced the amount of savings a team could get for releasing a player. Then the Lakers would be able to amnesty THT but not Westbrook, and teams like OKC couldn't abuse the system by taking on partial salaries for by being a rest stop for amnesty players.

The stretch provision has been in the CBA as long as the amnesty clause. It was just optional before (teams and players could agree to spread the money out over multiple years are part of a release), whereas as I mentioned, it's mandatory now for the actual payments and formalized into a more rigid structure for the cap hits.

[Seventyniner]

I thought the amnesty only gave luxury tax relief, not salary cap relief, and that each team could only use it once and only on a player already under contract with them. I think that was in 2012, but if there was a more recent version I must be forgetting it.

[Chinook]

I thought the amnesty only gave luxury tax relief, not salary cap relief, and that each team could only use it once and only on a player already under contract with them. I think that was in 2012, but if there was a more recent version I must be forgetting it.

According to Wikipedia, that was the case for the original amnesty, but not the second one that happened in 2011 -- the one that had the claiming process. The second one removed from both. The CBA FAQ only includes a tiny blurb about it to say it doesn't exist anymore, but it does state both clauses took the salary off the cap as well.