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    Fauci

    He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.

    He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.

    So they said the masks were ineffective.

    They lied then or they lied later. Either way, they lied.

    Scenario 1: "What if we have them wear masks? Will that slow the transmission?" "Well, it might but we need our masks for the HC community, the national stockpile was never refreshed after Obama's admin used them" "Ok but they are going to wear them anyhow" "Right, so we should just issue guidance saying they are not recommended"
    Scenario 2: "How do we keep these people from panicking?" "Tell the to wear masks" "But those don't do anything to stop transmission between people closer than 6 feet apart unless someone sneezes". "Well, they will act as a reminder that the virus exists and they will avoid each other" "but we told them they weren't recommended" "We change our mind, we found out the virus can be transmitted by asymptomatic people..." "we always knew that" "They don't know that".

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    Chunko getting regulated per par.
    MT, did you patent "Chunko?"

    Asking as a chunko is taking offense with me using that term!

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    MT, did you patent "Chunko?"

    Asking as a chunko is taking offense with me using that term!
    You keep needing to go back to that well. People here have their own . Even that is someone's . You haven't done anything, you're DJohn lite, nothing but tweets and generic talk.

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    You keep needing to go back to that well. People here have their own . Even that is someone's . You haven't done anything, you're DJohn lite, nothing but tweets and generic talk.
    Did I hurt your feelings chunko?

    Try the soccer forum, I hear people are more polite there.

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    no, the CDC doesn't give 2 s about your opinion.
    Making matter of fact statements about PPE when you don't know, that's not being wrong. That's called lying. This wasn't a front porch chat with Stan your neighbor. Stan would be wrong. The CDC was lying. Had they said "we cannot offer PPE guidance because we don't know the full picture" that would have been correct. Unless you think the concept of airborne viruses is a novel concept.

    One of the most perplexing and enduring mysteries of the pandemic is also one of the most fundamental questions about viruses. How can the same virus that kills so many go entirely unnoticed in others?

    The mystery is hardly unique to COVID-19. SARS, MERS, influenza, Ebola, dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya, West Nile, Lassa, Japanese encephalitis, Epstein-Barr, and polio can all be deadly in one person but asymptomatic in the next. -The Atlantic

    Is asymptomatic spread unusual?
    While it’s confounding to many people that a virus can spread before the person who is infected with it even knows that they are sick or showing any symptoms, Beckham said it’s not unusual. SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is what’s known as an RNA virus.

    “With RNA viruses and other respiratory viruses, it’s quite common for people to be asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic. That’s probably an important way for them to spread,” Beckham said.
    https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-t...d-of-covid-19/

    That doesn't matter when the CDC already told people to not use PPE.

    And you expect any rational person to believe the CDC didn't know this was a possibility? No MSDS takes the least aggressive PPE route based on ignorance of facts. Why would the CDC do this?

    Answer sans politics: They wouldn't.

    When did I say I thought this?
    Regardless, taking the safest approach is correct. No PPE isn't the safest approach. Why would you offer as an analogy taking the safest approach instead of saying "eat the food" until we discover "oops it was tainted, solly cholly... new guidance incoming".
    There is an absolute ton of articles on why the CDC guidance was wrong and misguided as this thing unfolded. It still continues to this very year because the CDC is putting out info that does not necessarily relate to STATES in different pandemic intervals. This is still happening this year. The onus has been put on STATES to decide which CDC guidelines currently fit THEIR situation. The stuff you have brought is the same type of . And uncoordinated effort for a widespread disease in different parts of the country AND for different environmental conditions. The TRUE LYING part that has been brought in is chronologically wrong. Lying and being incorrect, are two different things. We have had CDC statements that directly contradict each other because they are meant for different situations in the progress of the disease as it spreads, dies down, mutates, comes raging back.
    You can criticize the uncoordinated effort or the inability to tell certain localities what they should be doing, but lying as in attempting to deceive to create harm is not one of them.

    Give me one clear article again with time and dates about masks and why they are malevolent lies. Because I cannot parse it out.
    And im out. Read it tomorrow night most likely.

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    And I never said you thought about the food this way and you know this.
    Im using it as an example as to how unnerved people were about the virus.

    And they did put out recommendations about the food based on what little they had.
    Make sure it is cooked. You still have to eat. There are virus and bacteria that can survive high temperatures. So they lied?

    So back tomorrow hopefully.

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    MT, did you patent "Chunko?"

    Asking as a chunko is taking offense with me using that term!
    On ST yes.
    Not sure IRL.

    He's capable of making intelligent posts, they have been seen.
    Let's hope he can get to and stay in a good place.

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    On ST yes.
    Not sure IRL.

    He's capable of making intelligent posts, they have been seen.
    Let's hope he can get to and stay in a good place.
    Ehh , man, wrong again.

    Bend over, I'll get to and stay in a good place. I'll glaze your in' donut.

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    DMC getting his cheeks clapped by Fabbs

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    ^ Mono living vicariously through better people.

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    Hater and gang, the early years.


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    somebody posted this already... Cucker and his fans lmao

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