2022 Draft and Primo

[ducks]

If spurs drafted primo this year they still would rework his shot
So it actually was good they got hold of him last draft

[KobesAchilles]

Can’t write him out if you never wrote him in to begin with. Even if Sengun busts on the ty Rockets, that will forever be my pick. Sengun had a rough start to the season but once he adapted to NBA speed, he looked like a real player.

Primo is a bust but I like the plunge anyways. Might as well swing for an athletic big guard who can shoot the ball. We need to hire a dribbling coach tbh and not that bull dribbling coaches they have but one that teaches actual in game . Then I would have a lot more faith in Primo

[baseline bum]

That no one can answer this with with an unequivocal yes goes to show how ty a pick he was.

Vassel ain't that great a pick either so far.

[Atl Spur]

Can’t write him out if you never wrote him in to begin with. Even if Sengun busts on the ty Rockets, that will forever be my pick. Sengun had a rough start to the season but once he adapted to NBA speed, he looked like a real player.

Primo is a bust but I like the plunge anyways. Might as well swing for an athletic big guard who can shoot the ball. We need to hire a dribbling coach tbh and not that bull dribbling coaches they have but one that teaches actual in game . Then I would have a lot more faith in Primo

This may not age well kind sir….

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This may not age well kind sir….

Nor might your silver and black tinted glasses.

[CGD]

Too early too tell. It’s always a fun exercise to do redrafts 4 years or so after the original one. That will be my measure.

On the redraft note, it’s pretty amazing what the spurs have been able to do with mid/late 20s picks. Each of White, Murray, and Keldon would probably go top 10 in there respective drafts

[exstatic]

Missed Sengun: 20.7 min 9.6 pts 5.5 reb 2.6 ast 0.9 blk 0.8 stl. Also could add Moody to the list. Both are 19 y.o.

Sengun is 6’9” with a 7 foot wingspan, but people are ing about possibly drafting an extreme vertical athlete who is 6’10” with a 7’5” wingspan.

Don’t ever change, ST. Keep crying about the dumpy Turkish dude.

[Ariel]

Sengun is 6’9” with a 7 foot wingspan, but people are ing about possibly drafting an extreme vertical athlete who is 6’10” with a 7’5” wingspan.

Don’t ever change, ST. Keep crying about the dumpy Turkish dude.

It's called context. I would take Sengun (or Duren) at 12 in 2021. I wouldn't take Duren (or Sengun) at 9 in 2022. Not so hard to understand.
Plus I don't think most doubts on Duren were centered on his size... at least mine are not. It's his skills (or lack thereof) that are concerning.

[R. DeMurre]

It can be funny how certain moves are gauged in retrospect. The gambler who goes all in and scores on a hand with a 28% chance of winning is declared a genius, but the guy who goes all in and loses on a hand with a 36% chance is a reckless risk taker. I liked Trey Murphy lll a lot in that draft but wondered if he was too much of a reach at #12. Recent play by him seems to says no. But I liked Moses Moody too, and had him a hair ahead of Murphy, and he now looks closer to the Primo trajectory of development.

[MannyIsGod]

That no one can answer this with with an unequivocal yes goes to show how ty a pick he was.

No one can answer it because its an impossible question to answer. Who knows how he would have played in this hypothetical year in at Alabama. What if he torn his ACL in game 1? Then no, he's not going high. What if his coached hated him and he didn't get minutes? What if he averaged 20ppg? No one ing knows because it didn't happen so how is anyone supposed to say yes or no?

Primo might be a ty pick. We don't know, but nothing so far makes me think he's likely to be a subpar pick for the place he was picked in the draft. I'm pretty sure he'll be a rotational NBA player based on what we've seen, which is perfectly fine for the Spot he was picked.

[SAGirl]

It can be funny how certain moves are gauged in retrospect. The gambler who goes all in and scores on a hand with a 28% chance of winning is declared a genius, but the guy who goes all in and loses on a hand with a 36% chance is a reckless risk taker. I liked Trey Murphy lll a lot in that draft but wondered if he was too much of a reach at #12. Recent play by him seems to says no. But I liked Moses Moody too, and had him a hair ahead of Murphy, and he now looks closer to the Primo trajectory of development.

Its funny you mention him because I liked him a lot as well, and thought either the Spurs or Grizzlies (another team I liked) would take him. I hated the Grizzlies Valanciunas trade for them to then draft Williams while giving Pelicans Valanciunas and Murphy. Williams looked bad early on but has shown enough to believe in his potential but Murphy already looks like a good player. I still like him a lot.

Its difficult to gauge Moody because he’s played only spot minutes in a good team and that’s characteristic of guys in his situation. He hasn’t looked that out of place but without a regular opportunity it’s tough to gauge.

[MannyIsGod]

It can be funny how certain moves are gauged in retrospect. The gambler who goes all in and scores on a hand with a 28% chance of winning is declared a genius, but the guy who goes all in and loses on a hand with a 36% chance is a reckless risk taker. I liked Trey Murphy lll a lot in that draft but wondered if he was too much of a reach at #12. Recent play by him seems to says no. But I liked Moses Moody too, and had him a hair ahead of Murphy, and he now looks closer to the Primo trajectory of development.

Agree with this 100%. People really don't understand how to properly gauge low probability success ratios because they generally don't understand low probability to begin with.

[exstatic]

It's called context. I would take Sengun (or Duren) at 12 in 2021. I wouldn't take Duren (or Sengun) at 9 in 2022. Not so hard to understand.
Plus I don't think most doubts on Duren were centered on his size... at least mine are not. It's his skills (or lack thereof) that are concerning.

He’s
EIGHTEEN

[KobesAchilles]

This may not age well kind sir….

I’ve never been scared to give predictions, even the ones were wrong. That’s part of the fun. But the way I see it, a HUGE problem for basically all of our guards is they can’t dribble that well. It’s hard to become an all-star like that. It’s hard not to stay a role player when you can’t consistently get in the teeth of the defense or blow by a guy. Everybody is worried about Primo’s new shot or his play on the court, I am worried about his dribbling.

Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving have killed the NBA. They do all that globe trotter before the games and people actually practice that . It’s stupid. What you need to practice are 3 quick dribbles to the rim right hand, left hand, cross overs and spin moves. Also practice running and doing this into people and not midgets. If I have to see one more time players dribble 2 basketballs in circles underneath the legs I’m gonna lose it. You never use 2 basketballs in a game. Only practice what you use in a game

[DPG21920]

My guess is Primo would be drafted somewhere 15-25 if he played well at Alabama this season.

But big picture, there’s no one drafted after Primo this season that I feel was obviously better and anything to get worked up about. There may be someone better as time goes on but I don’t have regrets on passing on anyone so far really. Just a meh quality draft class it seems from late lottery onward.


Vassell looks really solid overall imo but passing on Haliburton, Maxey, Anthony seem like it may end up regrettable but Vassell holding is own overall and no one gets every pick perfect (best player every time)

[XDT76]

Can’t write him out if you never wrote him in to begin with. Even if Sengun busts on the ty Rockets, that will forever be my pick. Sengun had a rough start to the season but once he adapted to NBA speed, he looked like a real player.

Primo is a bust but I like the plunge anyways. Might as well swing for an athletic big guard who can shoot the ball. We need to hire a dribbling coach tbh and not that bull dribbling coaches they have but one that teaches actual in game . Then I would have a lot more faith in Primo

I agree, it seems that most if not all of our players are average at best in dribbling/handling

[vy65]

No one can answer it because its an impossible question to answer. Who knows how he would have played in this hypothetical year in at Alabama. What if he torn his ACL in game 1? Then no, he's not going high. What if his coached hated him and he didn't get minutes? What if he averaged 20ppg? No one ing knows because it didn't happen so how is anyone supposed to say yes or no?

Primo might be a ty pick. We don't know, but nothing so far makes me think he's likely to be a subpar pick for the place he was picked in the draft. I'm pretty sure he'll be a rotational NBA player based on what we've seen, which is perfectly fine for the Spot he was picked.

I don’t think right now anyone can. That said, one of the many, if not the primary justifications for taking Primo was that he’d go much higher in 2022. If that logic is impossible, it cuts both ways as a criticism and a defense.

At the end of the day, he’ll be worth it or not.

[Atl Spur]

It’s really a moot pointe being primo has been such a small sample size; his role has changed on the spurs vs what he was asked to do in college ( mind you against the best of the best ). Cut the BS and let this young man grow…..

[couchman]

The thing w Primo is that we took the thing he did best (shoot), and we are having him rework that. He is being pushed to expand his skills and he has looked rough doing so. We could have easily just asked him to 3 & D and not change his shot he’d have looked much better. But that is not the Spurs plan. We swung for the fences w the pick and now we’re swinging for the fences with his development. It will likely be another year or so before we know what the trajectory really looks like. What I hope to see in the off-season and next year is his shooting returns, his defense continues to look strong, and fewer turnovers.

[GAustex]

Lotto Pick has been a disappointment no matter what fortune teller says

[K...]

The thing w Primo is that we took the thing he did best (shoot), and we are having him rework that. He is being pushed to expand his skills and he has looked rough doing so. We could have easily just asked him to 3 & D and not change his shot he’d have looked much better. But that is not the Spurs plan. We swung for the fences w the pick and now we’re swinging for the fences with his development. It will likely be another year or so before we know what the trajectory really looks like. What I hope to see in the off-season and next year is his shooting returns, his defense continues to look strong, and fewer turnovers.

people were so mad that primo didn't take forbes minutes as if we drafted a lottrery guy to move an undrafted gunner. lmao/

[exstatic]

people were so mad that primo didn't take forbes minutes as if we drafted a lottrery guy to move an undrafted gunner. lmao/

As we now know, Forbes was being showcased for the two picks that eventually cascaded from his signing.

[The Truth #6]

It’s really a moot pointe being primo has been such a small sample size; his role has changed on the spurs vs what he was asked to do in college ( mind you against the best of the best ). Cut the BS and let this young man grow…..

Interesting. How do you see the differences in roles? To me, it seems fairly similar.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Sengun is 6’9” with a 7 foot wingspan, but people are ing about possibly drafting an extreme vertical athlete who is 6’10” with a 7’5” wingspan.

Don’t ever change, ST. Keep crying about the dumpy Turkish dude.

You can’t seriously be implying that Duren’s skill set is in the same conversation as Sengun’s.

[ragas]

Only practice what you use in a game

l never saw a guy lifting weights in a game.