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I dont disagree actually, but my only concern is that their timelines are too different at this point.
As much as I love him, I would trade Keldon for a Top 4 pick.
I dont disagree actually, but my only concern is that their timelines are too different at this point.
I was supposing the deal being Keldon plus the 9 to move up into the top four. Straight up I’d also move Keldon for a top 4 pick.
Talk about super defensive.
To answer your question he wouldn’t bring a pick of value greater than his worth to the team.
Maybe 14-18. Perhaps with other parts added to the trade he could bring the 12th pick.
The point is that you’re not going to get a pick that would bring the promise of a more impactful player. It’s just not a good idea. If you want to package him up for a more impactful proven commodity I’d entertain that but simply trading him for a pick is foolish. Due diligence or not.
Yeah of course you would. It would be a steal if you put Keldon and 9 together for a top 4 picks. That would be a horrible trade for another teams GM to make.
I don't know about a top 4 pick, but I think maybe Keldon to Sacramento for #7 as a framework wouldn't be too ridiculous.
Sacramento is desperate to make the playoffs, Keldon could slide in at the SF spot, he's young enough to have a long future ahead of him but will do 6 help a lot more than pick 7, though he is coming up on getting paid ... Maybe they would have to add 20 or 25, but I could see it.
There won't be any team who will trade out of the lottery for Keldon. He's over rated by Spurs fans and nothing too special.
Keldon is a nice player but come on Spurs fans no way is any team going to trade there lottery pick straight up for him - Never ever ever going to happen..........
Keldon is outperforming the 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th picks in his own draft class.
When someone says he’s not valued as a trade asset that could net a lottery pick, it implies those picks would 100% turn out better than Keldon. How strange that that’s looking like that’s not even the case for his own draft class.
When you use logic instead of your own perception, things actually make sense.
It's true that Keldon Johnson outperformed pretty much everyone in his draft from 6 onwards (1-5 were Zion, Ja, RJ Barrett, DeAndre Hunter and Garland) except Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole and Thybulle... he'd probably the 9th or 10th pick in that class...
But by the same token Herb Jones is outperforming every pick from 9 onwards from last years draft, and I'd even include some top 8 there (Suggs for sure). Would you trade the 9th pick for him? Some might, some might not...
The point is, the draft is also about expectations... everyone believes they know better than everybody else, so while on average you'd be hard pressed to do better, you always think you're the one who would. Some would be right, most wouldn't.
What team that has a lottery pick do you think would trade for Keldon?
Yeah, people get vested in certain players and believe they might be THAT player that turn there franchise around that hardly happens but it's human nature.
You have to consider trading out of the lottery for Keldon is losing the shot at a top 4 pick. No team will do that.
So your gambling Keldon will be better than all the players in the draft if you land the number one pick.
When does the trade deadline get lifted? Before or after the draft lottery?
Last edited by rascal; 04-19-2022 at 07:55 PM.
It depends on what your chances at that are. Personally, I think Keldon Johnson was very good value for a 29th pick, but I would make that trade. I'm just not convinced where he stands concerning his position and his future on the team. If you have a good scouting team, it will pay off. Plus you're putting off the salary increase he's bound to have by a few years. But I understand where some are coming from when they don't like trades that increase uncertainty.
…and it makes no sense both ways. No ones trading out of the top 7 for Keldon and we’d be stupid to do it as well.
What would we get at 7 that we can’t get at 9 that would warrant letting Keldon and our 9th go.
I posted Sacramento, after the lottery of course. If they're at 7 or get moved down, they might see Keldon ready to help their team make the playoffs rather than waiting on a rookie.
No guarantee of course, but I could see it. They took Davion last year at 8, an older 'ready now' player when they had 2 point guards already who might only ever be used as a 3rd guard/6th man. So I could see them wanting to do a deal.
You have to have the balls to pull the trigger on upside potential trades even with uncertainty.
Most trades you have to give up something of value to get something back in value and with the trade comes uncertainty.
If you're talking Keldon + 9 for 7, in this draft I wouldn't do it. There's no such drop off from 7 to 9. If we were talking 4 and 6 it'd be a different story.
However I think it was Keldon for 7 (+ fillers) that was being proposed.
Well... balls are overrated. Isiah Thomas wasn't afraid to pull the trigger, and he nuked the Knicks away with a couple of strokes from his pen. Calculated risk is something else. But I agree that you can't improve without some risk taking.
Looking at the players we expect to see after the top 5 I see no must have player that would warrant moving up 2 spots to justify giving up Keldon. Packaging 9 and Keldon to move up two spots makes no sense for us. The draft flattens out after 5(arguably 4) to about the 11th-12th pick. You just don’t do it.
Now if we’re at 5 and want to move up to the 2nd pick that would be a different debate but 9 to 7 makes no sense.
Mathurin and/or Sharpe maybe will be there at 7 but not be there at 9. There can be a dropout in tier level potential between pick 7 and 9 possibly depending on what the teams 6-8 do. I like the players you can get at 7 more than what is projected to be there at 9. If you hear word that Mathurin and Sharpe are off the board at 7 and 8 just before the 9th pick you pull the trigger on the trade.
I agree. Getting to 4 opens up a much stronger debate that you’re getting a significantly impactful player.
Only if Duren goes 5th or 6th. An outlier player would have to be selected earlier than projected in the draft for that debate to happen and I still don’t think the players you mentioned are worth parting with the 9th and Keldon. That’s a lot to give up.
I meant keldon for 7 straight up, or maybe Keldon +25 for 7.
Then the Spurs could potentially get my dream duo, Mathurin and Duren. Swag Squared.
Keldon has way outperformed his pick, but I don't want to see the Spurs overpay him. I still think he's a hustle player based on screams and excitement but without hustle stats. No steals, no blocks, no defensive impact. The perfect guy for a dumb team to overpay.
I would do that, but I seriously doubt there would be many takers.
No one in lottery will do a trade before draft day or at least before the lottery day.
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