2022 Draft and Primo

[exstatic]

You can’t seriously be implying that Duren’s skill set is in the same conversation as Sengun’s.

It isn’t now, but it could approach it later. He’s probably better on D right now.

Sengün will not make any appreciable improvement in athleticism, nor will his arms grow a collective five inches.

[KobesAchilles]

l never saw a guy lifting weights in a game.

I didn’t know that lifting weights was basketball practice. I guess I practice basketball every time I lift weights. To me, basketball practice consists of doing basketball drills, shoot around, studying tape etc. but even if you say lifting weights is a part of it then yes they use their muscles in basketball. I have never seen a guy dribble 2 basketballs at the same time during an actual game. I have seen a guy use their muscles.

[ragas]

I didn’t know that lifting weights was basketball practice. I guess I practice basketball every time I lift weights. To me, basketball practice consists of doing basketball drills, shoot around, studying tape etc. but even if you say lifting weights is a part of it then yes they use their muscles in basketball. I have never seen a guy dribble 2 basketballs at the same time during an actual game. I have seen a guy use their muscles.

Drills with two balls doesn‘t only improve your ballhandling skills, but primarily your coordination - which you use in a game. Fact is: You can practice a lot of things that don‘t have anything to do with basketball at first sight, but make you a better player. The same goes for every other sport.

[KobesAchilles]

Drills with two balls doesn‘t only improve your ballhandling skills, but primarily your coordination - which you use in a game. Fact is: You can practice a lot of things that don‘t have anything to do with basketball at first sight, but make you a better player. The same goes for every other sport.

But it doesn't improve your ball handling skills at all. You don't dribble with two basketballs. Ever. You can't do a spin move with 2 basketballs. You can't do a cross over. you can't do an in and out dribble. You can't do behind the back. You can't even run with the ball while dribbling with two hands. Literally every move you do in basketball is used with one hand. And your coordination isn't improved in a meaningful way either by dribbling 2 basketballs. It's globetrotter . It looks cool, and it's difficult to do. But it doesn't help you at all. Practice your actual moves in a game. Don't practice dribbling two basketballs.

[Atl Spur]

But it doesn't improve your ball handling skills at all. You don't dribble with two basketballs. Ever. You can't do a spin move with 2 basketballs. You can't do a cross over. you can't do an in and out dribble. You can't do behind the back. You can't even run with the ball while dribbling with two hands. Literally every move you do in basketball is used with one hand. And your coordination isn't improved in a meaningful way either by dribbling 2 basketballs. It's globetrotter . It looks cool, and it's difficult to do. But it doesn't help you at all. Practice your actual moves in a game. Don't practice dribbling two basketballs.

You joking right? Playing a little devils advocate?

[KobesAchilles]

You joking right? Playing a little devils advocate?

No I'm dead serious. In theory, it helps you learn how to dribble with both hands in half the time. But it doesn't work that way. The only way to learn how to drive left handed is to actually drive left handed. the oonly way to do a spin move left handed is to do it left handed. the only way to practice getting to your spot is with one basketball. This has ruined many high school level kids where they can do all these cool drills but can't get into the paint worth .

Learn your spots. Learn how to get to your spots. Work on your one on one moves. Work on being pressured. Leave that 2 basketball to the actual good dribblers like Steph or Kyrie. But when you suck at dribbling, that shouldn't be what you practice. Like imagine Danny Green practicing 2 basketball drills when the dude can't even do a cross over or a spin move. KJ needs to work on his cross over and he needs to work on a spin move, his body is perfect for it. DJ needed to work on being pressured. Vassell just needs to work on getting to his spots and that's it.

[Sugus]

No I'm dead serious. In theory, it helps you learn how to dribble with both hands in half the time. But it doesn't work that way. The only way to learn how to drive left handed is to actually drive left handed. the oonly way to do a spin move left handed is to do it left handed. the only way to practice getting to your spot is with one basketball. This has ruined many high school level kids where they can do all these cool drills but can't get into the paint worth .

Learn your spots. Learn how to get to your spots. Work on your one on one moves. Work on being pressured. Leave that 2 basketball to the actual good dribblers like Steph or Kyrie. But when you suck at dribbling, that shouldn't be what you practice. Like imagine Danny Green practicing 2 basketball drills when the dude can't even do a cross over or a spin move. KJ needs to work on his cross over and he needs to work on a spin move, his body is perfect for it. DJ needed to work on being pressured. Vassell just needs to work on getting to his spots and that's it.

I was really hoping you weren't serious throughout this exchange. This can only be an opinion from you, because it's so far off from anything coaches at every level of the game continuously preach (and reap the benefits of), and modern sports medicine agrees. Where the did you get this idea that you can only get better at basketball by doing strictly "things you could do in a game" from?

I'll start with a big-picture example: there's been a lot of recent studies on young players and how they develop much, much better fundamentals in Europe than in the AAU system. You know why that is? In Europe, young kids don't only play basketball 24/7 to a grind; they also play other team sports like football (ehm, soccer) or even water polo (notoriously helpful for Jokic), and also individual sports like swimming (notoriously helpful for our good ol' Timmy). Playing different sports not only stimulates the brain to adapt to different situations, it also works out muscles that hyper-focusing on basketball leaves behind, atrophying them (and also reduces the impact on joints, especially knees, that literally every single AAU kid comes out of college with; there was a funny interview a while ago where a doctor said an AAU kid's knees were similar to an old man's in terms of wear). Multiple NBA players have spoken on this if you care to do the research, starting with Embiid.

On a smaller-picture, drill-focused level, there's a lot of use to two-balls-dribbling: it's not about "learn how to dribble with both hands in half the time" (). It's about learning to not think of what you're actively doing with your hands, and keep your focus elsewhere, which is immensely useful for basketball (matter-of-fact, kids running this drill are told to keep their eyes off the balls, and face up). It strengthens both hands for dribbling, obviously, too, and is useful for dissociating what your hands are doing from what the rest of your body is doing (a skill that soccer is great for learning, and players like Nash have spoken on this, too). Lastly, in the particular drill where you run a tennis ball alongside a basketball, it's an exercise in balance, strength output adjustment (since you need different strength levels for a constant dribble of both balls), and even more about not thinking of what you're immediately doing. It's a great, and fundamental, drill.

That was a lot of words for something I thought basic knowledge, damn. Enough talking about balls for now

[Mr. Body]

People get hyper focused on youth in the draft, meaning there is more time to develop young skills.

Josh Primo is still younger than eleven of the top twenty prospects in this year's draft.

[rjv]

Nobody knows. Him playing in college another year could have bumped him with more spotlight.
Or he doesn't show a of a lot and our team messed up.

But nobody here can speak definitively upon the subject because there are too many variables.

[KingKev]

People get hyper focused on youth in the draft, meaning there is more time to develop young skills.

Josh Primo is still younger than eleven of the top twenty prospects in this year's draft.

NBA GM’s and scouts are lowkey Pedos. 6-9 months of relative youth, yet close to no advantage anywhere else and most get wet.

[BatManu20]

The real question here is that there are a lot of solid 2-Guard prospects in this draft, but are we going to pass on one if they fall into our laps cause he just drafted Primo? What if he doesn’t pan out and we pass on a guy who does? Lonnie potentially re-signing also effects this. A lot of variables here.

[Robz4000]

The real question here is that there are a lot of solid 2-Guard prospects in this draft, but are we going to pass on one if they fall into our laps cause he just drafted Primo? What if he doesn’t pan out and we pass on a guy who does? Lonnie potentially re-signing also effects this. A lot of variables here.

If they're undersized and can't shoot, don't worry; not a chance the Spurs pass on them.

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Sengun is 6’9” with a 7 foot wingspan, but people are ing about possibly drafting an extreme vertical athlete who is 6’10” with a 7’5” wingspan.

Don’t ever change, ST. Keep crying about the dumpy Turkish dude.

Dumpy Turkish dude? Yet we're supposed to not pass judgement on Primo? Haha.

First off, that Dumpy Turkish dude had a much better season than Primo. In fact, rounding up, in 21mpg, he posted 10ppg, 6rpg, and 3apg. Josh was 6/2/2 in 19mpg for comparison, with a worse turnover percentage. In fact, basedon PER, only 2 players were worse than Primo all season. Whereas Sengun scores 68% of the time in isolation which puts him in the 91st percentile in the league. Wait until that team actually runs consistent offensive sets with PnP and PnR. His game will flourish.

Also, that Dumpy Turkish dude was drafted at 16 (probably should have been 12th). And you're talking about picking someone in Duren at maybe 9 or higher. And while I agree that he might be the best pick at that spot depending whose left on the board, dont act like he's the next Gobert. He plays under the rim offensively which should be alarming. For someone with such size and reach, and quick ups, he should not be putting the ball of the glass on 80% of his points in the paint. I dont think I see the throw it up and oop threat you do.

In summary, your post is chock full of homerism and lacks nuance (dumpy Turkish dude is likely heading toward a better career than Primo -- oh and he's only like 3.5 months older than Primo, btw, so forget the old Primo is the youngest player in the league junk).

[KingKev]

Dumpy Turkish dude? Yet we're supposed to not pass judgement on Primo? Haha.

First off, that Dumpy Turkish dude had a much better season than Primo. In fact, rounding up, in 21mpg, he posted 10ppg, 6rpg, and 3apg. Josh was 6/2/2 in 19mpg for comparison, with a worse turnover percentage. In fact, basedon PER, only 2 players were worse than Primo all season. Whereas Sengun scores 68% of the time in isolation which puts him in the 91st percentile in the league. Wait until that team actually runs consistent offensive sets with PnP and PnR. His game will flourish.

Also, that Dumpy Turkish dude was drafted at 16 (probably should have been 12th). And you're talking about picking someone in Duren at maybe 9 or higher. And while I agree that he might be the best pick at that spot depending whose left on the board, dont act like he's the next Gobert. He plays under the rim offensively which should be alarming. For someone with such size and reach, and quick ups, he should not be putting the ball of the glass on 80% of his points in the paint. I dont think I see the throw it up and oop threat you do.

In summary, your post is chock full of homerism and lacks nuance (dumpy Turkish dude is likely heading toward a better career than Primo -- oh and he's only like 3.5 months older than Primo, btw, so forget the old Primo is the youngest player in the league junk).

But Primo just turned 19!!!!

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But Primo just turned 19!!!!

Exactly. It's akin to Brawndo and it having electrolytes at this point. We live in an idiocracy.

[vy65]

Dumpy Turkish dude? Yet we're supposed to not pass judgement on Primo? Haha.

First off, that Dumpy Turkish dude had a much better season than Primo. In fact, rounding up, in 21mpg, he posted 10ppg, 6rpg, and 3apg. Josh was 6/2/2 in 19mpg for comparison, with a worse turnover percentage. In fact, basedon PER, only 2 players were worse than Primo all season. Whereas Sengun scores 68% of the time in isolation which puts him in the 91st percentile in the league. Wait until that team actually runs consistent offensive sets with PnP and PnR. His game will flourish.

Also, that Dumpy Turkish dude was drafted at 16 (probably should have been 12th). And you're talking about picking someone in Duren at maybe 9 or higher. And while I agree that he might be the best pick at that spot depending whose left on the board, dont act like he's the next Gobert. He plays under the rim offensively which should be alarming. For someone with such size and reach, and quick ups, he should not be putting the ball of the glass on 80% of his points in the paint. I dont think I see the throw it up and oop threat you do.

In summary, your post is chock full of homerism and lacks nuance (dumpy Turkish dude is likely heading toward a better career than Primo -- oh and he's only like 3.5 months older than Primo, btw, so forget the old Primo is the youngest player in the league junk).

how dare you confuse the issue with facts

[rastaspur]

Looking at the players picked after Primo, there's not too many whose stats or contribution stands out apart from these guys:

13) Duarte - 13ppg, 39 starts, 55 GP, garbage Pacers team, 5 years older
18) Tre Mann - 10ppg, 26 starts, 60 GP, beyond garbage OKC team, 6'3 PG not needed on Spurs roster
26) Bones Hyland - 10pts, 69 gms, another 6'3 PG see above
35) Herbert Jones - 9.5pts, 69 starts, great 6'8 PF defender, 4 years older, who could've seen him coming anyway

Based on that it's nothing to judge him harshly at this point. He's got just as much chance to succeed as any player picked after him.

Who could have seen herb Jones coming? Me. Posted several times and months before the draft we should trade down in 2nd round and pick him.

The day before the draft I posted we should trade #12 for a later 1st and end of first round early second to pick herb Jones and primo. Still stand by that.

[KingKev]

Who could have seen herb Jones coming? Me. Posted several times and months before the draft we should trade down in 2nd round and pick him.

The day before the draft I posted we should trade #12 for a later 1st and end of first round early second to pick herb Jones and primo. Still stand by that.

Atleast we got Primo. He would be top 5 in this draft and is 19 and 4
months which actually rounds down to 19!

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People get hyper focused on youth in the draft, meaning there is more time to develop young skills.

Josh Primo is still younger than eleven of the top twenty prospects in this year's draft.

Brawndo...it's got electrolytes.

[Atl Spur]

Smile�� A lot of players were better than Primo this year but he’s a two to three year product I’m hoping. He’ll be ok I’m thinking.

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Smile�� A lot of players were better than Primo this year but he’s a two to three year product I’m hoping. He’ll be ok I’m thinking.

Thats a ton of thinking. I think you mean **hoping**

[ZeusWillJudge]

The justification for taking Primo at 12 was that he would go higher if he had stayed at Alabama for one more year and declared for the 2022 draft. Obviously, this was an impossible justification, but indulging the counter-factual, would Primo go higher than 12 (his pick) or 9 (assuming that’s the Spurs pick) in this year’s draft?

Nobody knows how good he is now, much less how good he would have been if he had spent another year in college. But the NCAA now lets guys declare for the draft, dip their toe into the water to gauge interest, and then back out. If there wasn't reason to believe that he would get drafted, he's got the worst agent ever. Ever.

I've heard that at least one other team was interested. So probably others would have been before they got down to 30.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Who could have seen herb Jones coming? Me. Posted several times and months before the draft we should trade down in 2nd round and pick him.

The day before the draft I posted we should trade #12 for a later 1st and end of first round early second to pick herb Jones and primo. Still stand by that.

Make a call like that, and you deserve to come back and say I told you so.

I'm pretty sure I don't remember anybody saying that the Spurs should take that Primo kid. Maybe Jones was just too obvious for PATFO.

[rastaspur]

Make a call like that, and you deserve to come back and say I told you so.

I'm pretty sure I don't remember anybody saying that the Spurs should take that Primo kid. Maybe Jones was just too obvious for PATFO.

I said it in timvps big draft board thread the day before or day of the draft. Trade #12 for two later firsts and get primo.

Mentioned trading down in second to get herb months before. Hyped herb up for a while and I think dejounte agreed he'd be worth getting at end of 1st. He had been hyping Wagner and I chimed in with a bargain bin second rounder sleeper pick

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and I think dejounte agreed he'd be worth getting at end of 1st. He had been hyping Wagner

We know. You're giving us all unwanted flashbacks.