Did we make a mistake with Derozan?

[KingKev]

Yeah not like they traded him to the future champion.

Not sure what you are arguing here. Raps don’t win that series if the Warriors don’t lose TWO future HOFers in the final/ but Pop’s move was banishing Leonard to Toronto, the front office relationships made it easier.

[stnick2261]

Trading Derozan away was definitely not a mistake. We got good return for that. But we never should have had him.

Either make Leonard play the '18-19 season with LMA and compete for a le or...

Sit out and not get paid. Trade LMA at his peak because he was unhappy at the time, but still all-star level. Tank that season and draft Zion Williamson or Ja Morant. We'd miss out on Luka Samanic in that draft, but Keldon Johnson may have still been available a couple spots later with our 2nd pick. Group that with whatever we get for LMA in trade and we have the beginning of a nice rebuild. We already had Murray on the team by that point.

[baseline bum]

Pop’s stubbornness was just as detrimental to the next 5 yrs as Leonard’s ery. Pop would have traded Nephew to Siberia for a bottle of wine if he could have. It was always about trying to FK Kawhi and not entertaining our enemies fair to low ball offers. Leonard flipped the script on him, went to Toronto and got lucky. We got 3 yrs of fking DDR. Maestro Pop stood tall for his “principles” and made 11m/yr along the way.

Fair offer lol what a load

[spurs1990]

DeRozan scored well in the first three quarters, but he was not good in the 4th. Without Caruso, the Bulls don't pull that game out.

hmmm interesting. When you look at boxscores only, one doesn't see the complete picture. I can't stomach watching Derozan play after having to endure 3 years of his midrange theatrics, so appreciate the insight

[R. DeMurre]

Should never have treaded for him to begin with, Spurs should have done the rebuild thing years ago when the good players in the team still had value (LMA and Danny), traded Kawhi for a package of youngins and Ingram and go a couple years getting guys in the draft. They probably would be in a better shape right now. Said it at the time. Those Derozan years wouldn’t amount to anything.

Exactly... that was the post-Timmy move that frustrated me the most, the Spurs thinking they'd outperform a league focused on high value + high percentage shots by blitzing them with two midrange guys. It was a bad plan from the start, and clearly didn't have even a whiff of success.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fair offer lol what a load

Yep. We were getting sh!t offers for Kawhi. Sending him east was the right move.

[baseline bum]

Yep. We were getting sh!t offers for Kawhi. Sending him east was the right move.

Yeah Spurs never got anything approaching the offer New Orleans got for Davis from the Lakers since the Pelicans got the #4 pick as part of the deal. A Lakers first would have been late 20s with LeBron and Leonard teamed up.

[KingKev]

Saw a stat on Bleacher today. DDR has the all time worst -/+ in playoff history; after last night’s win.

[rascal]

From Kawhi, we got 3 years of DeMar, 4 years of Jak, plus possible assets in a future trade, Keldon, and two additional FRPs.

How much did you expect to get back in a sign and trade for DD, an unrestricted FA? I mean, we got two FRPs and two SRPs, so perhaps your expectations don’t reside in reality.

They should have tried a trade package deal with Cleveland in 2018 for Leonard( as Cleveland still had James at the time and bringing in Leonard might have kept James in Cleveland) to get that 8th pick and draft Mikal Bridges there. I'd rather have Bridges now. There were other options that the spurs did not pursue on draft day because they were still trying to see if they could keep Leonard, moved too slow in trading him. I heard they were not actively pursuing on their own trades but just listening what other teams were offering. They were not assertive and waited too long to trade Leonard and the market dried up into the deal they accepted.

[rascal]

Saw a stat on Bleacher today. DDR has the all time worst -/+ in playoff history; after last night’s win.

-/+ are overrated

[rascal]

Yep. We were getting sh!t offers for Kawhi. Sending him east was the right move.

They could have got two picks from The Clippers 12 and 13 and worked a deal with Philly's 10th pick and get Bridges there. Bridges should have been their target in that draft because he could have been had.

[baseline bum]

They could have got two picks from The Clippers 13 and 14 and worked a deal with Philly's 10th pick and get Bridges there. Bridges should have been their target in that draft because he could have been had.

The Clippers offer was only one pick and Harris' contract. Couldn't have gotten Bridges or SGA with that.

[rascal]

The Clippers offer was only one pick and Harris' contract. Couldn't have gotten Bridges or SGA with that.

No it was two picks. Then I saw the other offer too.

[baseline bum]

They should have tried a trade package deal with Cleveland in 2018 for Leonard( as Cleveland still had James at the time and bringing in Leonard might have kept James in Cleveland) to get that 8th pick and draft Mikal Bridges there. I'd rather have Bridges now. There were other options that the spurs did not pursue on draft day because they were still trying to see if they could keep Leonard, moved too slow in trading him. I heard they were not actively pursuing on their own trades but just listening what other teams were offering. They were not assertive and waited too long to trade Leonard and the market dried up into the deal they accepted.

Cleveland wasn't trading picks to keep LeBron there, they knew he was gone (and Gilbert actually welcomed it), and knew Leonard would have fled too.

[baseline bum]

No it was two picks. Then I saw the other offer too.

Clippers never offered both picks, that was wishful thinking from Spurs fans.

[rascal]

Clippers never offered both picks, that was wishful thinking from Spurs fans.

If the Spurs really wanted to make a trade they could have for those picks but they didn't want to make a trade. Those picks were on the table but the spurs had no interest in a trade at the time of the draft.
They only made the trade later when they were forced into a deal.

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs really wanted to make a trade they could have for those picks but they didn't want to make a trade. Those picks were on the table but the spurs had no interest in a trade at the time of the draft.
They only made the trade later when they were forced into a deal.

Don't know why you're so hung up on Bridges anyways. Good defender and nice supporting guy, but not someone you're building your team around. Not like we were talking Booker or something. SGA was the only allstar talent available around that #10 spot.

[rascal]

Cleveland wasn't trading picks to keep LeBron there, they knew he was gone (and Gilbert actually welcomed it), and knew Leonard would have fled too.

Again the Spurs were not sold yet that they had to trade Leonard so I never heard or saw anywhere that they even pursued a trade with Cleveland. I saw where the Spurs were not actively pursuing trading Leonard around draft time but just listening to offers. The Spurs were not assertive in getting the best deal and that time was in and around draft time and only traded when they had to.

[baseline bum]

Again the Spurs were not sold yet that they had to trade Leonard so I never heard or saw anywhere that they even pursued a trade with Cleveland. I saw where the Spurs were not actively pursuing trading Leonard around draft time but just listening to offers. The Spurs were not assertive in getting the best deal and that time was in and around draft time and only traded when they had to.

Cleveland was not trading that pick. Gilbert was sick of LeBron running the franchise and wasn't mortgaging their future to get James a shot at one more ring.

[rascal]

Don't know why you're so hung up on Bridges anyways. Good defender and nice supporting guy, but not someone you're building your team around. Not like we were talking Booker or something. SGA was the only allstar talent available around that #10 spot.

Bridges is great and a big reason why Phoenix has the top record in the league. He's not a superstar franchise player you build around but he's better than what the spurs ended up with. He would be the best player on the Spurs now.

[baseline bum]

Again the Spurs were not sold yet that they had to trade Leonard so I never heard or saw anywhere that they even pursued a trade with Cleveland. I saw where the Spurs were not actively pursuing trading Leonard around draft time but just listening to offers. The Spurs were not assertive in getting the best deal and that time was in and around draft time and only traded when they had to.

And they were especially not trying to appease James at the 2018 draft when they refused to do it the entire 2017-18 season. They knew James was gone to LA already by the time of the 2018 draft. LeBron was probably already house hunting in Brentwood or Pacific Palisades by the 2018 draft.

[rascal]

Cleveland was not trading that pick. Gilbert was sick of LeBron running the franchise and wasn't mortgaging their future to get James a shot at one more ring.

I disagree/ if they land Leonard good chance James stays and they ring that year.

[baseline bum]

Bridges is great and a big reason why Phoenix has the top record in the league. He's not a superstar franchise player you build around but he's better than what the spurs ended up with. He would be the best player on the Spurs now.

No, Bridges is good. Booker is great. Big difference between good and great.

[Trainwreck2100]

Man, Philly wouldn't even give up Fultz. Lotta trash offers with Leonard sabotaging . Wish they would have just kept him and suspended without pay like the Sixers did with Simmons.

You forget that kawhi found a doctor to sign off on his inability to play. Would have been a whole cluster if the spurs tried to force him to play when he "couldn't" Simmons ed himself because rather than play 2 games and get "injured" he tried to muscle his way out from the beginning.

[baseline bum]

I disagree/ if they land Leonard good chance James stays and they ring that year.

Even if James wasn't out by then, which he was, they weren't mortgaging their future to get LeBron one more ring. Their best case would be James signing a one year deal and then leaving the next summer with Kawhi. James and Gilbert hated each other.