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He was injured. He came back for the playoffs.
Looks like John Collins had a pretty meh playoffs. Does this make him more likely to be moved by Atlanta? Does he still have the same appeal to the John Collins stans here? Averaged 9.4 pts, 4.6 reb, 1.2 ast, 0.2 blks in the series against Miami.
What would you be willing to give up?
He was injured. He came back for the playoffs.
Have people talked about Oladipo on here? Unlike a lot of the scoring guards the team could target, Dipo is known for being stout defensively. If folks are worried about the defense taking a hit as it adds offensive star power, it could be a good compromise. I also think he'd come cheaper than most players of his caliber considering his injury history. With all of their other contracts, Miami probably doesn't see him as a priority to re-sign anyway. It wouldn't be a perfect fit, but on a short term "prove it again" deal, signing him would be a move that could raise the team's ceiling quite a bit without really hurting their floor.
Even if we let Walker go we have JRich, Vassell, Primo and Langford on the roster who all will see time at the 2. Dipo makes good sense for someone competing and that simply isn’t us. He makes 0 sense for a rebuilding team other than to sign him and flip him if he performs. If you bring in another 2 it should be a young high upside player.
I think Richardson makes someone like Oladipo redundant. There's room for one late-20s vet presence at SG on the roster but not two.
It seems like the Spurs are more worried about cap space in 2023 than 2022, and it would probably take a lot of money to get Oladipo to take a one-year deal in the case that Richardson is traded.
I can see it but, to me that would signal that we are committing to building quickly around DJ and Poeltl on more of a shorter term trajectory. Now, I've been an advocate of taking one of two paths 1) building around DJ and moving young players/picks for win now moves or 2) moving DJ and Poeltl and building with the younger guys and picks.
So I'd be good with it as long as we are packaging other assets for that PF we all talk about needing. That said, I kind of feel like the FO is going to take the slower path...trade Poeltl this summer and botch things up a little by holding DJ to long without adding win now players... hopefully we strike gold in the lottery and that forces our hand a little bit..
I have the upside of Oladipo getting healthy as being worth way more than the prospect of any of the young guards developing. Certainly, I don't care about Langford and don't want the Spurs to consider him when making any roster moves. I like Richardson, but he's a role-player. He can and would have a role on a more serious Spurs team even if they signed a starting two-guard. Like it or not, the Spurs are very unlikely to see a big distinction between their SG and SF positions, and you may even be able to throw backup PF into that mix. There's plenty of space to play multiple wings.
I don't think the Spurs can be said to be rebuilding. They don't have anything worth rebuilding around. They have a few decent players they can use to compete, but they don't have anybody where you can project a future window opening up through growth. I'm a strong opponent of the "championship or bust" mentality, so I think the team should look to compete if they can do so without overleveraging their future. They should be able to assemble a strong rotation without giving up future picks or even their best prospect. They even have multiple pathways to doing so. To me, that's worth freezing lower-level prospects out if they can't win their compe ions.
A final thing of note is that Oladipo is likely to take a short-term deal given his injury history. So the team isn't likely to be committing to him too strongly. They can tech back into a rebuild if it doesn't work out with him.
I don't think the Spurs are going to be as interested in trading Poeltl as they were back in February. They finished the year stronger and now have the cap space to see if they can improve. I think if they get a great deal for him, they would take it, but I also think they have little interest in 2022 draft capital for him given how much they have already. Therefore, they might think it makes more sense to keep him and either extend him in October or trade him later in the season. The same is true for Murray as well, though obviously they are probably even less inclined to trade him. I agree that it makes more sense to predict the Spurs are going to slow-play this off-season. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I've yet to hear rumblings about them wanting to meet with guys. We're still months out from free agency though, so we'll just have to wait to see what develops.
I think that's a great idea, top to bottom. That quad rupture is a tough injury, but he's only 8-9 years in, so still young enough to get back to something like his old form if it's in the cards. Healthy he would be a HUGE lift to this team, but even at reduced capacity he's been good enough to invest in.
I read an article from his surgeon basically saying that the first surgery wasn't done right, and that his quad tendon wasn't even attached (or fully attached, or whatever). The second surgeon said that he was amazed that Oladipo had been playing on it at all.
Yeah, I would give two thumbs up for that suggestion if I could.
We see this very similar... extending Poetl (if he'll accept) makes a ton of sense (whether extracting trade value later or keeping him). I also hope to see them be more aggressive instead of slow playing the offseason. I'd love to see us use assets to be buyers to give us a shot at competing for playoff position next year.
Oladipo is better than all the guys in the list KingKiev mentioned and there is a spot on the team for a SG that can score and generate his own shot, specially after Lonnie is gone. It just depends on whether the team is taking a long term view or a stay “compe ive” path. As someone said, if you start making win now moves, then trading Jakob doesn’t make sense. However, I also dont think SA is an attractive team for Oladipo to join, so the Spurs have to sell him on it.
I dont have much expectation for Langford because dude is an injury magnet, it has probably affected his development and is not very good. Primo is still a project that should get minutes but I think he needs to earn that playing time, not get it by default at this point. Richardson has merits, mostly because shooting is his best attribute, so he complements DJ well… with just enough ball handling and offensive game to be useful, but a healthy Oladipo is much better.
Overall, the Spurs are a tough sell without picking a direction on what they want to do, so they will have to make some judgement calls to sell agents on a role, etc.
Oladipo lost out on big money these last few years. Does he bet in himself and take a a 1yr deal at 5ish hoping he can stay healthy, showout and earn what would probably be his final major paydayor do you try and get a 2-3yr deal at MLE?
Doubt he comes here in a short term deal unless it is well above market value like 15/yr.
I don't have any problem with the Spurs giving Oladipo a $40M/2 deal if the second year is a team option or non-guaranteed. They have a lot of cap space and not a lot of open roster spots. I've been vocally of the opinion that the Spurs should be looking to max out a young two-guard, so taking a similar upside for a player while not having to leverage quite that much fits fine for me. If he's healthy, then the second year fits well. If he's not, then you take the loss in a meh year and move on with the newly drafted players. That's difference than Lavine and/or Sexton where you're committing to a four-year deal while giving up a good deal of flexibility to make the money work.
If I were his agent I’d try to get him paid the most he can get, specially coming to a bad team. I’d only advise a smallish contract if he were playing in a good playoff team in a location he likes, as currently for the Heat. I dont know what is on his mind obviously.
Edit: chinook already covered other aspects of this.
Like here's an example of an aggressive but not overleveraged off-season:
The Spurs trade McDermott, Langford, 9 and a heavily protected future first to Detroit for Jeremi Grant
Draft: Kessler at 20, Baldwin at 25 and Alondes Williams at 38
Sign Oladipo to a short-term deal averaging $18M-$22M a year
Let Walker go but tender the other RFAs.
Training Camp Roster
Murray, Jones, Williams
Oladipo, Primo, Stewart
Vassell, Richardson, Wieskamp, Woodard
Grant, Johnson, Baldwin, Landale, KBD
Poeltl, Collins, Kessler, Ca
They'd still have one open TC spot and probably a few more as they release guys they know aren't going to make the team but might have opportunities elsewhere. I would say two-guard is the thinnest spot, but given how many of the SFs can play there, I don't think it's a big need. It'd be a huge sacrifice to trade away a mid-lotto pick, but that team would have a compe ive rotation and would have almost completely clear cap space going into the 2023 off-season. If the team feels like there's a guy with their first pick that's worth building around, they don't do this. But if they're meh on the draft, it feels like a nice send-off roster for Pop.
He's a meh player.
I do think ATL tries to dump him, but his contract is so terrible they'd have to sweeten the pot. He's the classic guy who played hard for a contract and then returned to sucking.
As for Oladipo, I've been a fan since before he entered the league and have always thought he'd be a great Spur.
That's exactly what I was looking for when I started this thread. That's a great comprehensive look at this offseason. I'm not even going to nitpick Jerami Grant. Every player has some negative, and that overall plan is just too solid to split hairs. If that exact laundry list could be pulled off, I would sit back and take whatever result the season would bring. For those who want the Spurs back in the playoffs ASAP, that almost has to get them there.
You also nailed it about IF the Spurs feel like there's a guy to build around that will fall to their pick, it changes everything. None of us have scouts in gyms to predict that. If they were high enough on Leonard Miller to take him at 9, I would just accept that they did their due diligence, and that would change everything.
For the record, I wouldn't have started that other thread if somebody, anybody, had given a comprehensive look like you just did in this one. That's a much more balanced roster, without major long-term FA commitments. I think LaVine, for instance, would make the team a lot better, but I wouldn't want to give up what it takes to bring him here. Nice job.
This is why you think everyone is in love with Collins -- you aren't objective about him. Dude made the All-Rookie second team his first year and was in the top 10 in MIP voting his second. At what point did he originally suck that he could now return to it? He didn't have a great year, and who knows how much of it was chemistry and how much of it was injuries that might linger. That could be a legit thing to monitor, but even his down year would have been at worst the third-best performance on the Spurs. Whether he ends up performing like a max player is up in the air, but it's not because the was a bad player who had a good contract year.
Looks like he will be damaged goods:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2...ry-season-ends
Wowzers. Was just about to get the bag too.
I'm ok with Oladipo. Philosophically it seems like a change from how they are building the roster, but in reality it doesn't change too much. We would hopefully be better with him, but still trying to make moves to get better with young players, because I don't see us doing more than maybe getting into the first round. Chinook doesn't feel we are rebuilding, which to me seems odd. If not, then we are the step before rebuilding? We are probably getting caught up in semantics, I suppose. We are a young team that currently sucks. I'd say our wins towards the end of the year should be taken lightly, even lighter than what they thought they gleaned from the Bubble play years ago. We played lots of bad teams while also, I suppose, making progress. But then the play-in showed, at least in that one game, that we were not ready for much yet at all. Anyway. Oladipo. Sounds ok to me.
First I heard about that. There have been some other articles that sounded like he knows he's thiiiis close to a life-changing max contract. I get that. But trying to cover for an injury to get it is sort of a yellow flag for me. More than sort of.
I loved this part: Back in early March, LaVine was discussing the severity of the discomfort and said, “me at 80%, 70%, whatever it is, I’m still one of the best players in the NBA and damn sure one of the best players on the court when we play. So, okay, Zach - how about giving a 20-30% discount on that max (not super-max) deal, to make up for not being at full strength? Like that's ever going to happen.
Somebody, either Chicago or someone else, is going to pay him. And I didn't want to pay max for him before I knew about the injury being worse than represented. I need to give Brian Wright a call and tell him that I'm now in the "definite no" camp.
LOL at trying to acquire this guy at $25,000,000/year. Holy bro.
Congrats on one of the worst offseasons imaginable. Coughing up the #9 for Jerami Grant (plus another first?)? And then getting Kessler and Baldwin with the rest? Might as well set the draft picks on fire.
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