Official 2021 Redistricting Thread

[Millennial_Messiah]

If you make it unnecessarily difficult to vote, you play right into liberal's hands.

Huh? The left are the ones trying to make voting unnecessarily piss easy, eliminate "racist / xenophobic" voter ID mandates, eliminate the U.S. Citizenship requirement for voting, eliminate no-excuse mail-in ballots, etc.

I do say raise the voting age to 26 for all non-active-military personnel. Heck, the Left are the ones who deemed 26 to be the end of extended adolescence through the ACA, since apparently people are too juvenile to make decisions and live for themselves until 26.... so let that be the minimum age to vote. Drinking should be 18 though... but the cops around the college campuses would lose too much money.

[ElNono]

If Democrats can get away with sending stacks of unsolicited ballots to urban area homes, they will do it.

They can come to a compromise on election reform if they really want to, Nono.

Mandatory 2 weeks early voting

Election day becomes federal holiday?

Mandatory ID to vote. (polls very favorably, btw)

Crack down on mail in voting because people would rather shampoo their poodles than pop in and out of a voting center.

Sound fair? I think it is, but it wont happen.

I think it's generally fair, though I don't agree with mail-in voting and would like to see some form of mail-in and drive-thru voting in there. Make it easier for people to vote, not harder. If your condition for that is that they need to mail-in a photocopy of their ID with it, then I'm ok with that. For drive-thru voting, the mandatory ID would cover it.

I do think it would never happen, but mostly because the right would never accept anything with mail-in, drive-thru, holiday election day and mandatory early voting...

[ElNono]

No question almost every big city (including every big city with any decent sized black minority or black plurality or black majority) will be blue of center, but if you look at the demographics for a place like DeKalb county GA, there's no way it should be D+70... D+30 is a more fair realistic estimate, and the gap is where the fraud ballots come in to play.

It has nothing to do with race or black people, big cities simply have a different dynamic when it comes to community, as decisions there affects large swaths of people and thus it makes sense they would verge toward more socialist policies.

Rural, on the other hand, is all based on what the patriarch and land owner wants, which obviously tilts more towards conservatism and can't go away soon enough, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Crack down on mail in voting

Why does it need cracking down?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

538 has the dems a net positive of half a dozen seats from redistricting.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/

Seems he is just as ingenuous about what his sources are saying as he is about his age and income.

[Millennial_Messiah]

538 has the dems a net positive of half a dozen seats from redistricting.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/

Seems he is just as ingenuous about what his sources are saying as he is about his age and income.

Pretty much boils down to gaining +4 in each of Illinois and New York (it's 50/50 on whether or not the Dems' 22-4 gerrymander map will be ultimately replaced, but it was struck down in court twice so far). I believe the Dems gained one in Oregon and (temporarily) North Carolina for now, and lost a few elsewhere like one in Tennessee, one in Georgia, one in Arizona, et al. Texas and California were a wash and the GOP picked up a few in Florida with the DeSantis map. Michigan is complicated because both long-time (D) and (R) in bents are at risk, but it's a red wave year. Ohio didn't get struck down by the courts in time so the GOP picked up a seat there.

At the end of the day it really hinges on what ultimately happens with the NY map. If the independents/GOP get their way, it will be a fair proportional map there, with 7-10 GOP seats, a minimum of 7 solid and 3 or even 4 compe ive seats depending on the map. In that case the Florida gains will be enough to offset the Illinois losses and the net will be roughly a wash. If Hochul and the Dems get their way in NY then the Dems will have won redistricting by about +4-5 seats.

So proportional and fair

The GOP gains in Florida are ONLY enough to offset EITHER of the losses in Illinois and New York. Since IL hasn't been struck down in court yet (it won't unless Pritzker gets voted out or the state legislature in IL makes substantial (R) gains) it's really up to NY to create a far map to render the 2022 redistricting cycle a national wash.

It has nothing to do with race or black people, big cities simply have a different dynamic when it comes to community, as decisions there affects large swaths of people and thus it makes sense they would verge toward more socialist policies.

Rural, on the other hand, is all based on what the patriarch and land owner wants, which obviously tilts more towards conservatism and can't go away soon enough, tbh

That's the toxic NWO globalist progressivist preached-indoctrination woke BS that needs to be eradicated before it destroys humanity, tbh.

[baseline bum]

Pretty much boils down to gaining +4 in each of Illinois and New York (it's 50/50 on whether or not the Dems' 22-4 gerrymander map will be ultimately replaced, but it was struck down in court twice so far). I believe the Dems gained one in Oregon and (temporarily) North Carolina for now, and lost a few elsewhere like one in Tennessee, one in Georgia, one in Arizona, et al. Texas and California were a wash and the GOP picked up a few in Florida with the DeSantis map. Michigan is complicated because both long-time (D) and (R) in bents are at risk, but it's a red wave year. Ohio didn't get struck down by the courts in time so the GOP picked up a seat there.

At the end of the day it really hinges on what ultimately happens with the NY map. If the independents/GOP get their way, it will be a fair proportional map there, with 7-10 GOP seats, a minimum of 7 solid and 3 or even 4 compe ive seats depending on the map. In that case the Florida gains will be enough to offset the Illinois losses and the net will be roughly a wash. If Hochul and the Dems get their way in NY then the Dems will have won redistricting by about +4-5 seats.


The GOP gains in Florida are ONLY enough to offset EITHER of the losses in Illinois and New York. Since IL hasn't been struck down in court yet (it won't unless Pritzker gets voted out or the state legislature in IL makes substantial (R) gains) it's really up to NY to create a far map to render the 2022 redistricting cycle a national wash.

that with how gerrymandered Texas is.

[ElNono]

That's the toxic NWO globalist progressivist preached-indoctrination woke BS that needs to be eradicated before it destroys humanity, tbh.

You can't realistically stop cities from growing, this is why rural nowadays is such a small representation of people and why conservatives really can't pull the "fair and balanced" or "proportional" card...

[Millennial_Messiah]

that with how gerrymandered Texas is.

Texas didn't change in terms of partisan control from the last decade's map. Least change, defensive map was installed, rather than going aggressive even though Blexas is never, ever going to happen.

GOP will take TX-15, TX-28 and TX-34 along with keeping all their in bents and it's going to be beautiful. Texas is trending back to GWB era red after blue team maxed out and flamed out in 2018 with Beta Male Robert Francis O'Rourke.

If you want to complain about the Texas map not being proportional, you'd be a hypocrite not to complain about California the other way as well. It's quite easy to draw a fairer map in CA as it's a large and very heterogeneous state but instead they drew a ton of D+ small margin districts...explain to me how that's not gerrymandering.

You can't realistically stop cities from growing, this is why rural nowadays is such a small representation of people and why conservatives really can't pull the "fair and balanced" or "proportional" card...

It's suburbs that are growing far more than cities... and contrary to MSM belief, they are more red than blue averaging nationally.
It's

You can't realistically stop cities from growing, this is why rural nowadays is such a small representation of people and why conservatives really can't pull the "fair and balanced" or "proportional" card...

[ElNono]

It's suburbs that are growing far more than cities... and contrary to MSM belief, they are more red than blue averaging nationally.

Not really. Suburbs expand first around the cities, but cities keep growing and absorbing those suburbs, which in turn create more suburbs around.

Also, the claim that suburbs average more red than blue is nonsense (and supported by nothing). It's really a wash, sometimes it tilts slightly more blue, sometimes it tilts slightly more red, which makes sense since they're in the middle of he more blue and red extremes.

Plenty of studies bear this out (ie: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...48550621994000)

[ElNono]

But, again, you can't be pulling the "fair and balanced" card when you only want to apply it to blue or purple regions, but not rural...

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cuomo 7-0 appointed court in NY strikes down Hochul's gerrymandered map, forcing a proportionate map in the state (15 or 16 solid Dem seats + 7 solid GOP seats + 3 or 4 toss-up seats) and destroying Hochul and the Left's egregious gerrymander in the state.

Take that, Hochul! Get raped, you partisan hack .

[Dirks_Finale]

Why does it need cracking down?

Federal regulation bad now?

[ChumpDumper]

Federal regulation bad now?

It's your characterization. Explain it.

Why does it need cracking down?

[DMC]

You can't realistically stop cities from growing, this is why rural nowadays is such a small representation of people and why conservatives really can't pull the "fair and balanced" or "proportional" card...

Putin: hold my beer

[ElNono]

Putin: hold my beer

Russia will survive Putler, tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the single member district is the crux of the problem with our political system. proportional representation is so much better for so many reasons. blow up the party bilateral hegemony if nothing else.

[Th'Pusher]

the single member district is the crux of the problem with our political system. proportional representation is so much better for so many reasons. blow up the party bilateral hegemony if nothing else.

Agree with this and think it could be accomplished with ranked choice voting. I know Andrew Yang was a joke of a candidate but that was a plank of his platform that I was on board with.

[Winehole23]

NY Dems fighting in court to use an uncons utional map.

[Winehole23]

Suplexed by his own appointee

[Millennial_Messiah]

Florida and DeSantis loses back CD-5 but the rest of the map remains in place and is likely good for the full 10 years. Not terrible, I suppose.

Kansas supreme court also went against Laura Kelly today and allowed the Republican drawn Kansas map (still a dummymander not to completely crack up the KC district) which will give the GOP a R+4 advantage in a currently (D) held seat there, formerly D+3, to become law. As it's not VRA protected it should be good for the full 10 years.

Down to Missouri... New Hampshire... and of course, what goes on in New York. Personally if the courts don't at bare minimum maintain the status quo of 7 solid (R) seats in NY, there should be a riot.

[Winehole23]

[Winehole23]

At the point where GOP run states simply ignore the courts

[Winehole23]

Contumelious GOP

[Winehole23]

SCOTUS increasingly relies on Purcell rules to keep uncons utional maps in effect, at least for one election

“We’re seeing a revolution in courts’ willingness to allow elections to go forward under illegal or uncons utional rules,” Richard L. Hasen, a professor at the U.C.L.A. School of Law and the director of its Safeguarding Democracy Project, said in an interview. “And that’s creating a situation in which states are getting one free illegal election before they have to change their rules.”

Which has led to Republicans slow-walking illegal gerrymanders, so that there's little room to contest them

Politicians have taken notice of the change. In Georgia, the Republican governor, Brian P. Kemp, waited 40 days after the legislature approved a congressional map before signing it into law, leaving a sliver of time for the succeeding court battle.

“The relevant actors are well aware of both Purcell and the court’s inconsistent application of it,” Professor Vladeck said. “So there’s plenty of upside, and very little downside, to try to manipulate the cir stances as much as possible.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/u...publicans.html