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One can dream I suppose.
True i do not see Chet being comfortable as the #1 option having to try to save the Spurs from suckdom.
That having been said, he is a total team player that does lots of stuff that does not show up in the stats. Alters shots, tips passes.
His blocks will translate imo. Is he going to swat players like in NCAA? No way. But he will still get nice blocks.
There is no 1 player to transform the Spurs.
Perhaps i only saw Bancheros total suck game vs Viginia. He was hoorible at the end with game on line both on O (idiotic turnover) and D (Craig Popplevich D ahead by 3 cannot lose by a duece and.....drumroll.....gives up a wide open 3.)
One can dream I suppose.
Spurs will get into the top four.
I only got to see Banchero in the tourney this year, but, his skillset, size and IQ are intriguing for the Spurs.
He played within himself and let the game come to him in a way few 19yr olds can. I agree with timvp that he'd be a no-brainer as pick no. 1 for the Spurs.
His passing alone would greatly improve our offense. Very smart and talented player. The Spurs would be a great situation for him, too. Other teams might not have the system or approach to development that would get the best from him.
I believe that the Spurs would maximize his potential if he's their guy.
In Detroit, he had really ceased being a lob threat and wasn't getting anywhere with speed. he was a playmaker with his passing and scoring with skill, touch, patience
Check out his 50 point game with Detroit, no lobs, 1 dunk, lots of one on one
I was never a huge Blake Griffin fan, but it's a tough argument to say he wasn't well rounded enough while also calling for a Zach LaVine max contract. Whatever flaws were in Blake's game, they're pretty small compared to LaVine's.
Oh, I would definitely not draft a Blake-Griffin-in-Detroit type as a top pick in the draft. He was washed for a bad team. I certainly hope Banchero isn't him.
I specified 'pre-collapse' Griffin in Detroit, which was 18-19
He was 3rd team all-nba, all star, and averaged 24.5 points, 7.5 rebounds, 5.4 assists
An all-nba player is not easy to find, Spurs haven't had one since Kawhi
I don't think Timme sucks. I think he has a nice place coming off the bench for a team. I believe he could give you 15-20 minutes of tough, hard-nosed play, with some instant offense. Now, on defense he would be a matador, but at least he attacks the glass.
Oh no, I was following the logic of the poster I was replying to, and maybe I went a bit overboard, but I agree with you on that 100%. Timme doesn't suck on offense, not even one bit. I in fact stated once and again how he carried Gonzaga on offense when they needed it the most, in fact if not for him they would have been eliminated sooner. He reminds me quite a bit of Scola with his craftiness and foot work, although it'd be very hard for him to make a living in the NBA unless he improves significantly his defense and rebounding. To be fair Nembhard doesn't suck either... I was just emphasizing how underwhelmed I was with Chet's inability to impact the game on offense when it mattered the most (vs Memphis and Arkansas).
Timme is going to make good money overseas.
There might be a limit to how good Mark Few is in diversifying his offensive attack. Not depending too much on a freshman isn't a terrible idea, however, but Holmgren does show flashes of potential -- advanced dribble moves, spins, Dirk fades. He won't be Durant, but he's more skilled in that department than suggested. In some ways, he's like a SF trapped in a skinny 7'0" frame. This causes problems, like a very high dribble at times, and his body not coordinating with his brain at times, but it also makes him super-long, a of a shotblocker, etc.
Given his agility and instincts, there's a lot of promise. Basically, I think Banchero projects as what he is already. A very good player, but potentially not a superstar, who will not be a plus defender or rim protector, whose floor isn't that bad. Holgren's potential range is wider. His top range is spectacular, his bottom range is a good-shooting Shawn Bradley or someone who gets snapped in half.
To me, Chet is Shawn Bradley with a jumper
We can all hope to land in the top 4 and any one of the top 4 players would instantly help the spurs. Unfortunately the odds are against us. Where the odds aren't that much against us is in the 2nd round where we could possibly draft Timme from Gonzaga. He's a bit like Luka Garza in Detroit, big and strong and can shoot pretty well, maybe even better than Garza. He's just a bit slow for NBA standards, but still useful as an end of the bench guy. Garza will certainly still be in the NBA next season although I can't quite say that for both our 2 way players. Timme had a strong showing during march madness, Holmgren not so much considering his and the schools reputation.
If the spurs somehow manage to get a top 4 pick, I would want them to select Banchero. Him and Timme in the 2nd round could really improve our smallish front court. We have enough 6'5" guys, we need some size. Rebounding shooting also help.
Nice story about Banchero and his family. His mom played in the WNBA, didn't know that.
https://andscape.com/features/for-du...rsonal-growth/
No more below the rim players, Spurs have enough of them.
I don't think Banchero will be as good as pre injury Blake-Griffin.
I don't see the comparaison with Griffin, they are totally different imo.
Banchero is more close to what Okafor was at Duke than Griffin tough he's more complete : better passer, better shooter .....
he'd be my pick if the basketball gods are good to the spurs on the 17th
I would see the comparison as more to a slightly taller Grant Hill at Duke (with hopefully more semblance of a motor than Hill).
Both smoothe, good footwork, not freakish athletes, but can also go one-on-one.
Banchero is the type of talent who may be better in the NBA than in college -- we always focus on the majority of players who will be worse at the next level than in college, but the key is to find those few who will actually be better at the next level. Contrary to conventional thinking, they do exist.
I see what you mean with Hill becaue Banchero is a PF with some guard skills ( think he was doing everything and playing like PG some times in HS) . Maybe he's something between Hill and Okafor ( by okafor i see the footwork essentially)
If the Spurs luck out and get into the top 4 so that they draft Banchero, any chance Tari drops to 20? Even bringing in Banchero the team still needs depth beyond KBD at the 4.
I’m tired of matador defenders, so Drew Timme can stay home. We were a much better offensive team (8) than defensive team (23) so drafting Timme doesn’t address that.
Mocks have Eason in a fairly big range right now. He has question marks, but I think definitely goes in the lottery. Available at #9 or #10, gone a good number of picks before #20. Same with Sochan.
I agree, but if the Spurs want it bad enough, they have the assets to pull it off: Poeltl, Josh Richardson, picks 20, 25 and 38... some combination of those can get you in the late lottery IMO. The question is at what cost, and whether they want it in the first place. I wouldn't want them to grossly overpay, but they can definitely do it if they wanted to, and if the price is right...
Banchero and Jabari Smith both had the good fortune in college of having impactful defensive bigs behind them-- Banchero had Mark Williams and Smith had Walker Kessler-- so it'll be interesting to see how they perform defensively in the NBA. My guess is Smith is the better and more versatile defender. He had better steal and block rates than Paolo, better defensive metrics, and has the body type/athleticism to switch down to SFs or larger SGs. He'll have a bigger physical challenge with centers than Paolo, but I think he generally shows more enthusiasm for D than Paolo does, and is the overall better archetype defensively for the constant switching in today's NBA.
Early on in the season, Banchero had big issues with cramping, and doctors found that he had an unusual condition where he sweats much more than the average athlete, with some reports saying he'd lose as much as 7 lbs in a game because of it. Duke went all out with a hydration plan and would even give him IVs at halftime to help with this issue. It's interesting that very few recent reports on him mention this, and I wonder if that issue will be more challenging with the rigors of the NBA schedule.
https://247sports.com/college/duke/A...ues-177124720/
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/12/nba...ealth-concerns
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