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    It is congresses responsibility to make laws, not the courts. Democrats control the house, the senate, and the Presidency. If they wanted to legalize abortion they could do it next week.
    if states or the US Congress abrogate the rights of the people, it is absolutely the role of the Supreme Court to overturn those laws.

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    It is congresses responsibility to make laws, not the courts. Democrats control the house, the senate, and the Presidency. If they wanted to legalize abortion they could do it next week.
    This is irrelevant. You supported the Court's decision by saying abortion isn't in the cons ution. From a cons utional law perspective, I explained why that's not a correct view.

    Congress can pass laws regulating searches and seizures, or giving the accused in criminal cases a right to counsel, or banning the death penalty. Passage of those laws says nothing about whether those rights exist under the Cons ution. Same goes for abortion

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    If Republicans wanted to make it illegal they could have done it years ago.

    Why did they rely on the courts to nullify existing law?
    Why have democracts pass a law that entering the into USA is legal
    No passport no proof you are not a criminal is needed

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    Why have democracts pass a law that entering the crossing into USA is legal

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    It is congresses responsibility to make laws, not the courts. Democrats control the house, the senate, and the Presidency. If they wanted to legalize abortion they could do it next week.
    Also, can they? Wouldn't you conservatives say that, under principles of federalism, abortion should be regulated by the states and not the federal government? It was the refrain on the covid response early in the pandemic, why would this be any different? What's the hook for federal jurisdiction? The commerce clause?

    This is such a disingenuous take because as soon as the USFG passes the "protect abortion bill," conservatives will have a conniption fit about federal overreach/"big government," -- yet, they're absolutely silent now about an activist court overturning a 50 year precedent.

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    Also, can they? Wouldn't you conservatives say that, under principles of federalism, abortion should be regulated by the states and not the federal government? It was the refrain on the covid response early in the pandemic, why would this be any different? What's the hook for federal jurisdiction? The commerce clause?

    This is such a disingenuous take because as soon as the USFG passes the "protect abortion bill," conservatives will have a conniption fit about federal overreach/"big government," -- yet, they're absolutely silent now about an activist court overturning a 50 year precedent.
    not to mention Roe was a 7-2 ruling. it was upheld in PP v Casey by a supreme court with 8 republican nominees

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    not to mention Roe was a 7-2 ruling. it was upheld in PP v Casey by a supreme court with 8 republican nominees
    St. Ronnie bad now

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    St. Ronnie bad now
    he was always bad

    though he'd also be called a woke RINO today

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    To say nothing of trigger laws banning abortion outright if Roe is overturned in full.


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    ironically i think this is probably the best thing that could have happened to galvanize dems coming out to vote in 2022 in what has looked like a certain bloodbath

    take the shift away from inflation, make 2022 a referendum on abortion rights

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    no, this would be awful. If Roe v Wade is overturned the midterm will go from R+9 to like neutral or even D+1 or D+2. Forget about 54 seats in the senate, you'd be lucky to end up with 51 seats, and winning the House by a narrow margin instead of the anticipated 2010 style red wave margin.

    You're essentially handing Biden a second trifecta.

    68% of American registered voters are NOT in support of Roe V. Wade being overturned, and that includes libertarian-right people such as myself, such as Rand Paul, etc. This is sickening and would absolutely be devastating to the GOP long-term, on much more important issues than this. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch need to vote against repealing RvW if Roberts and ACB aren't.

    ironically i think this is probably the best thing that could have happened to galvanize dems coming out to vote in 2022 in what has looked like a certain bloodbath

    take the shift away from inflation, make 2022 a referendum on abortion rights
    No , captain obvious.

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    To say nothing of trigger laws banning abortion outright if Roe is overturned in full.

    To be fair, though, equally-evil autocracies like New York State put bounties on out-of-staters not paying NY State income taxes even if they were only in NYC for 3 DAYS in a year on a ing business trip.

    The dems have nary room.

    Abortion rights are human rights... Taxation is theft. Especially at the state and local levels.

    if states or the US Congress abrogate the rights of the people, it is absolutely the role of the Supreme Court to overturn those laws.
    Abortion rights are human rights... as are the right to not be mandated by law to sacrifice a portion of your hard-earned income for the good of " muh others ".

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    no, this would be awful. If Roe v Wade is overturned the midterm will go from R+9 to like neutral or even D+1 or D+2. Forget about 54 seats in the senate, you'd be lucky to end up with 51 seats, and winning the House by a narrow margin instead of the anticipated 2010 style red wave margin.

    You're essentially handing Biden a second trifecta.

    68% of American registered voters are NOT in support of Roe V. Wade being overturned, and that includes libertarian-right people such as myself, such as Rand Paul, etc. This is sickening and would absolutely be devastating to the GOP long-term, on much more important issues than this. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch need to vote against repealing RvW if Roberts and ACB aren't.



    No , captain obvious.
    Don't fret, you still have voter suppression.

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    Is there a single other legal precedent or law that imposes restrictions on someone's bodily autonomy for a period of time as a result of private behavior that is not against the law?

    This should be issue number 1 for libertarians. Instead they prefer to debate seat belts.
    It's not issue number 1 for a libertarian like me, but it's definitely top 5. Reversing inflation, at least back to 2019, is still king until it's fixed. Stopping immigration, energy independence, banning covid mandates, the right to bear arms, and yep... probably abortion. Medical freedom... whether bearing arms, abortion, vaccine choice, choice of who to love, who to fornicate with, etc., are all America First - compatible human rights.

    Don't fret, you still have voter suppression.
    The Dems still have the ultimate trump card, in the mercs at USPS with the vans full of fraudulent mail in ballots that are nearly all (D).

    Forced child support should not exist in a world with abortion. Agreed. That's not going to gain any momentum on either side of the political spectrum.
    Forced child support should never exist. Men should always have the choice to sacrifice any and all contact with the child until they're 18 and out of high school under penalty of civil and potential criminal punishment if they break that agreement.... in exchange for not having to pay child support.
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    no, this would be awful. If Roe v Wade is overturned the midterm will go from R+9 to like neutral or even D+1 or D+2. Forget about 54 seats in the senate, you'd be lucky to end up with 51 seats, and winning the House by a narrow margin instead of the anticipated 2010 style red wave margin.

    You're essentially handing Biden a second trifecta.

    68% of American registered voters are NOT in support of Roe V. Wade being overturned, and that includes libertarian-right people such as myself, such as Rand Paul, etc. This is sickening and would absolutely be devastating to the GOP long-term, on much more important issues than this. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch need to vote against repealing RvW if Roberts and ACB aren't.



    No , captain obvious.
    Naw,,,people vote with their pocketbook over everything else. They wont give a about abortion rights if they are still paying 6 dollars a gallon at the pump and grocery prices continue to rise. Its why they democrats used covid and shutting down the economy to get Trump out of office. He was a lock to get re-elected so the democrats sabotaged the American peoples pocketbook.

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    It's not issue number 1 for a libertarian like me, but it's definitely top 5. Reversing inflation, at least back to 2019, is still king until it's fixed. Stopping immigration
    Ah yes, classic limited government ideals there.

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    Senate Democrats on Tuesday vowed "to hold a vote on legislation to codify" abortion rights, following the leak of a draft opinion authored by Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito that would strike down Roe v. Wade.

    The left just needs to take a chill pill

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    Naw,,,people vote with their pocketbook over everything else. They wont give a about abortion rights if they are still paying 6 dollars a gallon at the pump and grocery prices continue to rise. Its why they democrats used covid and shutting down the economy to get Trump out of office. He was a lock to get re-elected so the democrats sabotaged the American peoples pocketbook.
    you're still triggered

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    hthough he'd also be called a woke RINO today

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    Senate Democrats on Tuesday vowed "to hold a vote on legislation to codify" abortion rights, following the leak of a draft opinion authored by Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito that would strike down Roe v. Wade.

    The left just needs to take a chill pill
    Has CNN all screwed up top of every hour...they go all the way to 24 minutes before taking a first break. They never go past 13 minutes since inception.

    They are in' lit.

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    he was always bad

    though he'd also be called a woke RINO today
    Nah Reagan was a race baiting pos who would fit right at home in today's GOP

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    He was an actor. He'd parrot whatever lines he was given.

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    Nah Reagan was a race baiting pos who would fit right at home in today's GOP
    soft on immigration. traitor

    supported the founding of the IPCC. purveyor of climate change communist hoax

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    Triggered,,,,

    Willy Lowry on Twitter: "A visibly shaken and angry Senator Elizabeth Warren just spoke in-front of #SCOTUS. @TheNationalNews https://t.co/KzQ2Z0Lg3b" / Twitter

    and Warren wants to increase the amount of liberal justices on the supreme court. She wants to change the rules because she doesnt like the rulings. Isnt that what democrats accuse republicans of doing with voter suppression?,,,,

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    soft on immigration. traitor

    supported the founding of the IPCC. purveyor of climate change communist hoax

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