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    Do you have a take or just here to bask yourself in the glory of the alleged decision?
    I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy . I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.

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    Do you have a take or just here to bask yourself in the glory of the alleged decision?
    I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy . I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.

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    Most women are basically baby factories. You simply cannot save every pregnancy and every zygote cannot become a self sustaining human being. The answer isn't to develop technology to artificially mother these zygotes. The answer is to prevent these pregnancies in the 1st place, however that could happen outside of impotency for the male or surgery for the female. Instead of ripping a fetus apart, the pregnancy could be thwarted by better medicines and these should be readily available.
    I meant in the legal sense as it pertains to what was addressed in Roe. Roe was a compromise because fetuses cannot live outside the womb for a determinate amount of time, so the SCOTUS deemed that during that period the fetus was wholly dependent on the host/mother, and thus that person's right was to be infringed by the State's interest (the viability standard). But if that dependency isn't there anymore, then that solves that problem.

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    I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy . I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.
    I think MEDIC! was miles better, tbh

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    I already gave my take and if Roe is over turned I hope libs take to the streets of their blue districts and destroy . I hope they use the "this is what democracy looks like" chant while doing it...it's my favorite lib rioter slogan.
    Would be better if LA rioters went and burned down Simi Valley instead tbh. They need leadership.

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    Plus, it's only a matter of time somebody claims their religion allows abortions and their State is infringing on their religious rights...
    "the Jews", tbh

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    Most women are basically baby factories. You simply cannot save every pregnancy and every zygote cannot become a self sustaining human being. The answer isn't to develop technology to artificially mother these zygotes. The answer is to prevent these pregnancies in the 1st place, however that could happen outside of impotency for the male or surgery for the female. Instead of ripping a fetus apart, the pregnancy could be thwarted by better medicines and these should be readily available.
    You're living in the "should be," not in the what is.

    IRL, until these better treatments and procedures are developed, abortion is the appropriate medical treatment.

    To take away women's bodily autonomy and access to appropriate medical care because the "should be" does not yet exist is monstrously perverse.

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    Also, your quip that women are basically baby factories is crass reductionism to one biological function. It's also a pathetic put down.

    Guess you need women to spit on too, for some reason.

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    Say, do you still think the draft opinion is all about states rights?

    Have you even read it yet?


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    Libs are good problem solvers

    You'll believe literally anything.

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    Most women are basically baby factories. You simply cannot save every pregnancy and every zygote cannot become a self sustaining human being. The answer isn't to develop technology to artificially mother these zygotes. The answer is to prevent these pregnancies in the 1st place, however that could happen outside of impotency for the male or surgery for the female. Instead of ripping a fetus apart, the pregnancy could be thwarted by better medicines and these should be readily available.
    You don't spend any time with your wife anymore.

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    I already gave my take
    You're in favor of Roe.

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    Abortion is a social good, banning it does direct social harm.

    With increased desperateness, the rate of illegal and unsafe abortions will start increasing, or people will be forced to have an unwanted pregnancy. Together, this will have immediate impacts on physical and mental health among Americans:

    • Mortality. Women will die. Each year, 7 million women worldwide are admitted to hospitals for unsafe abortions. 4.7-13% of those women typically die.
    • Morbidity. Women with illegal abortions are at higher risk for serious medical problems, including infections and damage to the genital tract and internal organs (due to inserting dangerous objects like sticks, knitting needles, broken glass).
    • Mental illness. Women denied an abortion have higher mental illnesses and lower well-being. AJAMA study found women denied an abortion reported more anxiety, lower self-esteem, and lower life satisfaction compared to women who were able to get an abortion. No evidence shows that getting an abortion causes negative mental health or well-being outcomes.
    • Economic hardship. A study in American Journal of Public Health found that women denied an abortion experience an increase in household poverty lasting at least four years longer compared to women who received an abortion. Also, years after an abortion denial, women were more likely to not have enough money to cover basic living expenses like food, housing, and transportation. The National Bureau of Economic Research found denying an abortion lowered a woman’s credit score and increased a woman’s amount of debt.
    • Violence. Another study found denying abortions kept women in contact with violent partners, putting themselves and their children at risk for physical and emotional harm.
    • Child outcomes. The Turnaway Study —at UCSF—found that when women have control over the timing of having children, the children benefit. Specifically they found: “Children born later to women who are able to get an abortion experience more economic security and better maternal bonding than the children born because a woman was denied an abortion.”
    https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...stop-abortions

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    Pro-choice group targeting churches has links to Revolutionary Communist Party

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    They need to do the same treatment as the 1/6 protestors - throw them in solitary and held for months without due process
    Going to scotus house

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    Amen

    Pearl clutchers over the tealight vigils at Kavanaugh's house were quiet as church mice when armed goons in several states harassed state election officials, not because they had done anything wrong or had deprived anyone of their rights, but simply because Trump lost the election.


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    I don't find the act of protesting outside SCOTUS justices homes valuable, necessary or productive. Much like the "defund" crowds, they're actually counterproductive.

    These people need to decide if it's more important for them to vent, or to win.

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    Obviously. But rarely to the same degree they'd mourn a child who died after birth.
    yeah. my sister recently had a miscarriage during the 8th month, had to be induced to deliver what she knew what be a stillbirth. it was obviously brutal. but nowhere near what it would have been if he had died as a one week old. everyone's basically been past it after a few months. no shot they would have moved on this quick if it was post birth

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    Why? It isn't wanted. It's not like conception cannot also happen in vitro.
    Do you see "hope" in quotes dumbass?

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    I don't find the act of protesting outside SCOTUS justices homes valuable, necessary or productive. Much like the "defund" crowds, they're actually counterproductive.

    These people need to decide if it's more important for them to vent, or to win.
    And how are they supposed to go about winning?

    Even if it's ineffective, I think it's 100% ok for judges who take away people's rights to feel direct public animus over it.

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    (Aside, police didn't get defunded anywhere. It boggles that a bureaucracy so wasteful, so counterproductive and so incompetent at its core mission should not be subject to similar accountability as all others.)

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    And how are they supposed to go about winning?
    By not looking like deranged children while supporting a popular cause and making some fence-sitters question if these are the people they want to vote with.

    Even if it's ineffective, I think it's 100% ok for judges who take away people's rights to feel direct public animus over it.
    To what end? Do you think Kavanaugh is going to have a change of heart? Do you think any of the 9 most powerful judges in the country will give a second thought to their legal opinion over the possibility that protestors will target them?

    This achieves nothing positive.

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    (Aside, police didn't get defunded anywhere.
    Exactly. What a fruitless effort behind a re ed catchphrase that probably lost a lot more votes than it gained.

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    By not looking like deranged children while supporting a popular cause and making some fence-sitters question if these are the people they want to vote with.
    Silly me, I thought voting for Dems last time was supposed to prevent this from happening. On the other side, looks like the deranged children are getting exactly what they want.

    How many times will people have to vote for Dems -- and by what margin will they have to win -- before this radical, authoritarian bull can begin to be rolled back? Hard to see how acting and talking nicer is going to move the ball, either.



    To what end? Do you think Kavanaugh is going to have a change of heart? Do you think any of the 9 most powerful judges in the country will give a second thought to their legal opinion over the possibility that protestors will target them?

    This achieves nothing positive.
    It's a reminder that official acts of violence against the people aren't immune to similar. I think it's a healthy reminder in this case. Republicans are about to repeal equality under the law for half the country.

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