poor man’s version or broke? Like broke, broke.
Vassell is a very overrated defender on this board.
I think Poeltl for Ayton would be an interest especially if Pop could sell Poeltl as a prime defender. And Suns could use J-Rich (I actually like this guy) as a vet defensive guy, and McBuckets would really be good with a contender (it’s a cliche but valid point). It would be crazy if Spurs can pull that off. But maybe Sun would ask for more. But it’s worth a try
That is a pipe dream:I think Poeltl for Ayton would be an interest especially if Pop could sell Poeltl as a prime defender. And Suns could use J-Rich (I actually like this guy) as a vet defensive guy, and McBuckets would really be good with a contender (it’s a cliche but valid point). It would be crazy if Spurs can pull that off. But maybe Sun would ask for more
- Suns would be taking on more salary than paying Ayton max
- McDermott alone probably requires you to throw in an FRP
- To retain JRich/Jak Suns will be adding another 10mm in 2023
I’m pretty sure we would’ve chosen Luka with the first pick that year.
Then throw in Saric salary. Monty benching Ayton on game 7 says something. The point is with PATFO’s relationship, they should explore if there’s any. J-Rich and McBuckets are valid vet help that can tweak what’s needed. I think Poeltl could improve, again with a contender, and Spurs will get in return a 23 yrs old big man who would just improve especially with the Spurs who had big men like DRob and Timmy historically, and would be the focal point of offense at Spurs instead of a second fiddle to Booker. Throw in #25 pick as sweetener. It’s worth trying I think.
Last edited by John B; 05-21-2022 at 09:32 AM.
Luka Samminic a year early? Wouldn’t wanted to have lost out on him in the second round in 2019.
LOL i’m only half kidding.
Let’s sign Ayton and Lavine. Successful off-season…check.
And with 3 FRP’s, it could be a very fruitful off-season if PATFO plays their cards right.
More pipedreams to put together a tier Phoenix Sun roster?
It’ll be impossible to keep our 3 FRPs and get that done.
Bruh, then give them our #25. No big deal.
All I’m saying is there are great opportunities out there, given Sun’s situation, relationship with Monty, Spurs huge cap, possible trade assets, picks, etc. Spurs are in great position if they play their cards right.
Monty is the coach and not the GM.
We’d have to move Jak, McD, JRich, waive Collins and move all 3 FRPs to make the cap work alone. Plus enticements to make the cap work so that may include Keldon or the guy you think will average 25/5/5 in the near future.
Hardly playing their cards right.
Last edited by KingKev; 05-21-2022 at 12:36 PM.
It's funny that people here are acting like Ayton is a scrub when he averaged 17pt and 11reb in the regular season on a playoff contending team and had a 21 Point 12 rebound game right before the one he got benched on. Thats about right on track for a talented 23 year old
No one's saying he's a scrub. People are saying he's been provided a burst (as Booker has) because he gets fed a lot by Chris Paul. Paul has made the whole team better.
More to the point, people are saying he's not worth the max that a #1 pick gets, which is true. That's just an absurd contract for a guy who won't have Paul, beside the fact that he can't shoot from deep and isn't a shot blocker. And also seems to have character and 'contract year player' issues.
Tim Duncan was known to be a gamer so there is that...
Of course Tim was allot more mature perhaps and knew how to balance it much better in his life. IT would be awesome if Timmy mentored him while he was here.
Thats not even worrisome to me. The games are played late at night, and after traveling overnight often, the sleep rhythm for many of this guys is not the same as someone who works an 8-5 for sure.
Then you add that some of these stars deal with the stress or nerves of an important game going out to the club, and enjoying some drinks with some girls on the side, and you see why Ayton playing video games is the least of anyones worries.
Playing with these guys has actually extended CP3 bookshelf life. I stand by my statement that the Suns dont get out of the first round without him. Booker got injured and outside of CP3 no one could produce a self generated shot.
I looked at the footage, and sure CP3 fed him the ball in good spots, but many other shots came off post ups and turn around jumpshots that anyone on the Spurs would struggle to make, let alone hit in a playoff game as we have clearly seen.
I am convinced he’d make the Spurs better. I dont know whether the Spurs want him or he wants to join the Spurs, but they have the assets to make this happen if they want, and the Spurs historically like to build teams around centers that are offensive threats. The last time they made the playoffs Lamarcus was playing as a C for them.
I think they are at least looking at him and he’s young and healthy, no bad knees or back.
The Monty situation is the one that is touchy, but he was thrown as a scapegoat, and then unlike all his other flaming out teammates, who were paid, are on huge deals with guaranteed money, hes going into the summer with an uncertain future. Id be sour grapes too.
Also, the fact he has so famous teammates actually takes pressure and shots off him. I think there’s potentially more there. The Suns were already playing better when CP3 joined them. Why do you think he went there? He didnt want to sign with Orlando to play with all their bigs right? He went there because they had enough talent to take them to the promised land. I actually think the real flameout is Devin Booker tbqh with you and Id be happy to take Ayton away from the Suns.
Probably wont happen though and I am setting myself up for disappointment.
Seriously. Tim Duncan probably played Dungeons N Dragonz all night before game 7 of the Finals in 2005.
Stephen Jackson almost assuredly was at strip club night before hitting game winners in 2003.
Who knows what Parker and Erin Barry were up all night sxting during that 05’ run.
Pop is literally wine drunk 24/7.
Winners win.
Agreed. Everybody has different ways of preparing for playoff games. I remember Horry would say he would never go out to clubs during the playoffs and would stay inside for the whole entire playoffs to keep his focus while a guy like Rodman would go out partying the night before and still win when he was with the bulls. It doesn't matter to me as long as you show up.
I have a feeling the Spurs will make a harder run at Ayton than Lavine. I think they will have a good chance of him signing the offer sheet if he is offered the max. It would be up to Phoenix to match.
Yeah because Horry was a party guy but probably knew his limits. I met him at EBC in like 2013 and he was partying by himself lol.
I don’t think he is final piece of the puzzle I still think we need a few more guys to develop. Would like to see him work with Duncan.
Whatever happened to the Suns in game 7 was a complete embarrassment that led to some very raw emotions and a conflict, notably between Ayton and coach. A conflict like that happens sometimes when game adrenalin is high, but it takes a lot of understanding and work to heal the rift. I actually got into a fight once with an assistant coach who was a friend and former teammate back in the locker room after a bad loss. This could be a game changer in the Ayton situation in Phoenix.
I don't know enough about him to make a managerial decision, but he sounds like a player we could use if the price is right.
At the notion of one of the least talented teams in the league being a finishing big away from being "set".
He'd likely be more interested in them (opportunity to chase counting stats and individual accolades), as would the Suns (if it comes to it, considering Poeltl is a readymade centerpiece of a package, the possibility of dumping Saric, etc.) than vice versa considering he's not a boy scout.
I think Ayton is an improvement over Poetl.
We have money to use, it'll get eatten into pretty quickly by extensions, summer signings, etc.
If he's available and wanting to come, would have to take a hard look at him. Not sure he takes over the hump. Not sure what the grand plan is either. We aren't playing well, playing just well enough to sneak into the play in tournament and play ourselves out of high lotto picks.
Suns won't do that. The Suns can do better elsewhere.I think Poeltl for Ayton would be an interest especially if Pop could sell Poeltl as a prime defender. And Suns could use J-Rich (I actually like this guy) as a vet defensive guy, and McBuckets would really be good with a contender (it’s a cliche but valid point). It would be crazy if Spurs can pull that off. But maybe Sun would ask for more
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