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shows you how much people round here know about basketball
I can't believe we got a 1st round pick, a swap, Josh Richardson and Romeo Langford for a bench player on an overpaid contract. This was a heist
shows you how much people round here know about basketball
I don't think many folks in this thread did anything other than look at the final box score on their phones and didn't hit the "show all" toggle. White shot 4-14, but he shots 3-5 to start the game, which Boston took their lead over Miami in the first place. After that, he show poorly, but he put in eight rebounds (tied for third behind two centers), six assists (most on the team) and four stocks (tied with Hoford for most). He led the Celtics in minutes and completely erased Lowry. He shot poorly, but he didn't have a bad game.
He was a pretty damn good player his first 3 years, and shot 36% from 3 land. Derrick, shooting like that, is very valuable. That foot injury/surgery ed up his shot, big time.
Haha door was meant to = dope.I never said he was a consistent shooter...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then
A broken clock is still correct two times a day. White’s poor shooting is beyond injuries or health at this point. There is no excuse for shooting that bad when wide open. He is healthy now so if he has less lift from prior injuries I’m nit sympathetic as you are paid insane money to figure it out. He just sucks at shooting and it’s probably because he needs to be in rhythm and over thinks it. Can’t convince me otherwise and I don’t see it changing.
considering that smart was out last night, what d white was able to give boston last night was pretty impactful.
FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR playoffs:
24T) 1.2 Jaylen Brown, Nikola Jokic, Kevon Looney, Wesley Matthews, Derrick White
25T) 1.1 with more minutes than White, ST's MAX player Deandre Ayton.
No it was arguably his best game as a Celt. That’s a problem for me.
I think the Celtics want more from him, but I also think that those other stats and the hustle plays like drawing charges endear players to fans. I don't think Boston fans would be upset if White were a relative non-scoring glue guy.
As far as it being his best game, it might well be -- it was really good. If going by BBRef's game-score metric, however, it was this 40th-best of this season and 11th-best as a Celtic. It was even his fourth-best of this post-season. This was in many ways an average-to-above-average game for him. Hopefully it becomes way more the baseline with his scoring being over this most of the time. But he was a clear positive on the night and was very, very good when the game was actually in doubt.
he's not a bad player, but let's keep it real. With his inability to shoot the 3 well, he's a 2nd string PG on a playoff team who's not worth the 15-19 million that he will be paid for the next 4 years. For his value he's actually on a bad contract
I don't get why some people have such a hard time appreciating that a guy who doesn't shoot well can still be a net positive player because of other factors. Yes, I agree that White's 3pt% and tentativeness on offense are frustrating, but he still rates as one of the best defenders in the entire playoffs and still does other things well, which results in his overall net positive ratings. Bruce Bowen couldn't dribble, pass, or rebound, rarely blocked shots, had no mid range game at all, and had a terrible FT%... but he did the things he was good at and won three rings playing the specific role that was assigned to him. No one's saying White should start, or be an all star, but I think Brad Stevens targeted him for very specific reasons, and I imagine he's still very happy with the deal, just as the Spurs are happy with their future potential returns.
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He's going to be the fifth-highest paid player on his team next season. For a guy who even with bad shooting was their fourth-most impactful player last year, that's very good. He's not like Grant Williams, who gets hype but actually doesn't impact the game positively.
Nah he was good until the Spurs ask him to shoot more 3s and space the floor.
Just look at the numbers. He shot 36% over his first 3 seasons. The end of season 3 was the bubble, where he was a monster. He was also injured and missed the last couple of games. He had off season surgery, and missed the beginning of the following season, and he only played 32 games. That short season was his high water mark for 3PA at 6.8 per game, and he still shot a respectable .344. This year, his 3PA in SA was down, 5.3 and he shot .314. In Boston, he shot even fewer, 4.3 and he shot .306. His shot falling off a cliff actually happened as his 3PA dropped.
D. White's good enough to be serviceable on some nights, impactful on others but the majority of his games will be forgettable. He came to the Spurs with a lot of potential but he showed the team pretty quickly what he was in the Denver playoff series. He had a couple of big games but then got shut down. That was it, that was the end. If unchecked, he can do damage. Give him a little attention and he goes away. That's Derrick White. Not upset the Spurs moved away.
The current Spurs roster is built up of role players - even Dejounte Murray. There's not a star or burgeoning star in the group to build around. I don't care who gets moved and what packages are put together to attract a legit, consistent, pillar of the franchise. Until they do, the Spurs will be mired in mediocrity - right where they are.
White is a very good depth addition to this Boston team
Comes off the bench and does everything his coach asks him to do, plays good defense, make plays for his teammates or shoot/attack the basket when he has a good look
Outside shooting is inconsistent but Boston can afford to live with that, unlike the Spurs
It's all about context, needs and fit
Didn’t they alresdy have that in JRich at way less? Plus gave up an FRP and a potentially franchise changing pick swap?
No fking way Boston is happy with that move LOL
Boston badly needed a connector, which White is very good doing. They start Marcus Smart, who is not a point guard, and their two best players are iso guys. Having someone who is able to move the ball around is invaluable to them. He's also at least a solid defender.
Nah the last few years he was playing mainly as PG either as 1st team or the reserve. He needs the ball in his hand to get his confidence and play good. This year he was playing offball and it affected his effectiveness, even in Boston he is not the main ball handler and he suffers. Yesterday game was a good example he starts great by being the main ball handler and play maker. Then his role changes and ends up being a 3P shooter the rest of the game resulting in terrible 3PFG%
White has been pretty bad since the trade but he'll likely be better next year. Solid dude and player. Still not worth that contract we gave him though. Spurs definitely made the right move on this one.
It's hard to adjust from the 2nd best player with a green light to the 6th/7th best player on a team and converting to a role player. But I think he has done well in his role on everything but shooting. Celtics are talking him into something stellar because if he doesn't pan out, they can't take it. But hey, I hope he turns out great for them because it only demonstrates how good the Spurs are at developing players.
He was always a role player. White is more likely an example and a testament to a system.
He fits better with Boston than J-Rich because Boston doesn't have a pure PG. He's just overpaid for what he brings to the team
Let's look at the overall Defensive RAPTOR stat: White has the 11th best defensive rating in the entire league. Josh Richardson is 179th. Look at EPM: White is 8th in the league. Richardson is again 179th. If you use those same models but flip the analogy to offense, the comparison would be Kevin Durant (11th) vs Furkan Korkmaz (179th) or Kryie Irving (8th) vs Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (179th). Are those big differences on offense, or just small nuanced differences? White is an elite defender, and when he's on the floor with a good team that already has a clearly established offensive hierarchy (where he is the 5th option), his defense matters a lot, and his 3 pt shooting-- his biggest weakness-- matters very little. And he still brings great ball movement, a good assist-to-turnover ratio, a good 2pt%, and a great FT%. Boston is 6 wins away from an NBA championship. If they manage to win one, do you think anyone in the FO or ownership is going to say, "oh geez we might've overpaid our 6th man by a few million per?" Even if you think White is overpaid, does it matter at all in a year when the team's realistic goal is an NBA championship? No one wins a le with a team payroll of $139 million and says "ugh, I'm upset because we got a ring but the team payroll should've been $135.5 million!" In that environment, $4 mil is essentially pocket change.
But White is the vastly superior basketball player.
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