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Yeah, that’s not happening. The days of incompetence in CLE front office are over.
poeltl + #20 + #38 for jarrett allen.
Yeah, that’s not happening. The days of incompetence in CLE front office are over.
Plus it’s working for them. There is no motivation to blow up what’s working.
While this argument is valid, there's also a point to be made that you take as many as you can, then work them out for a few months before you focus on the best ones. The odds of them all being successful are incredibly low, but there's an argument this increases your odds of getting an exceptional player out of the bunch. I'm not sure if I buy it, but I'm not sure I don't.
The Spurs don't turn guys into premier players. That's never been their thing. They draft guys, some of whom have the ceiling to become elite players, and then those guys show enough to get bigger roles. It isn't like 2K where you send prospects to camps to boost their attributes, and enough boosts eventually means a player becomes a star. Kawhi and Parker are/were not stars because the Spurs worked some voodoo on them. They always had star potential, and the Spurs eventually realized that and shifted responsibilities to them. That also happened with Murray if people recall with him getting the starting job his second year and sitting in on coaches meetings during his injury. If the Spurs draft four rookies, they won't all be treated the same, and certainly all won't develop at the same pace. Some might stay in the d-league for a year or two, while others will be in the rotation early.
It's important that the Spurs legitimately improve upon Landale, KBD and the like, because those guys played minutes and would play more next year if left to their own devices. Even replacing them with guys thought to be high-floor/low-ceiling prospects and never getting big roles out of them like with Cory Joseph is very valuable. In 2013, the Spurs had a number of guys who could be rotation players sitting on their deep bench. They have Mills, Baynes and Blair along with Bonner and De Colo. They had their first-rounder from a couple of years before as a 10-day. It's okay for the Spurs to have that kind of depth again and not ever truly need to hit on all of those guys. That's why you have multiple firsts. Back in the day, Spurs fans had to cherish the ty prospects the team was able to scrounge up and place our hope for the franchise's future in them. Now, the team is getting good picks, and those same late-firsts can be the same relative chaff without the same expectations. When fans stop putting the Spurs on a pedestal and acknowledge their developmental team for the competent but not superlative group it is, we can enjoy the extra later picks as the bonuses they are and not the keys to contending we had to pretend they were during leaner draft years.
Oh, no. More thoughts on David “Rubenesque” Roddy:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/david...-results-stats
Justin Lewis was also at this workout.
There are a couple of clips from Justin's interview, going against Roddy in a workout setting, that again have me worried how Roddy's game may translate to the NBA.
Justin out-muscles him (very few guys can probably dislodge Roddy so worth noting) and shoots over the top of him (the biggest issue).
Roddy may do all the right defensive things and the majority of players can simply shoot over him.
I think he would be a fine second round pick but wouldn't want to commit guaranteed money to him over at least two years...
It’s a good point. His defense is a big question mark. He quite possibly goes undrafted.
Draft Range:
9th Pick:
* Jeremy Sochan - PF
* Dyson Daniels - SG
* Bennedict Mathurin - SG
* Jalen Duren - C
* Ousmane Dieng - SF/PF
20th Pick:
* Blake Wesley - SG
* Bryce McGowens - SG
* Jake LaRavia - SF
* E.J. Liddell - PF
* Nikola Jovic - SF
* Jalen Williams - SF
Pick 25:
* Christian Koloko - C
* Terquavion Smith - SG
* Christian Braun - SG
* Gabriele Procida - SG/SF
* Marjon Beauchamp - SG
38th Pick:
* Dominick Barlow - PF/C
* Josh Minott - PF
* David Roddy - SF
* Leonard Miller - SF
* John Butler - PF/C
* Orlando Robinson - C
Last edited by BackHome; 05-25-2022 at 08:50 PM.
On board with this list tbh.
Would swap Koloko with Justin Lewis but that's just me and add Murray to potential 9th pick category. (Unlikely but stranger things have happened).
No Eason?
Wouldn't it make sense to just have one list of players and you take the top of who is left with each pick? Or, just have a #9 list and a #20+ list? You wouldn't give up on your 20 range players if any are still there at 25.
Man, I struggle with Eason on one day I see high ceiling because of his defense and flashes of offense - But then another day I see his turnovers and general basketball IQ and wonder if he can stay on the floor without fouling out. But, in the end I think he gets drafted in the 12-16 range which is why I left him out.
I don't think the Spurs will make all 4 picks for a single second. Either they move up or they make some type of player trade. I would guarantee all those picks aren't made.
09th Pick: 6'10" PF Jeremy Sochan
20th Pick: 6'10" SF Ousmane Dieng
25th Pick: 6'6" SG Jalen Williams
38th Pick: 6'10" PF Jaylin Williams
Great height at each position. In a couple years:
Starters: DJM, DV, Primo, KJ, JP
Bench: Jones, J Will, OD, JS, J Will
I think that list somehow considers who will be available (or not) for each pick (even though there are six players at the 20th pick while spurs also pick 5 picks later).
None of the players from the 9th pick category will (probably) be available at 20 for example. So it makes sense to list by pick rather than an overall list by preference.
I’d be very pleased with this outcome
Sochan Looks the same way but at least Eason can shoot.
Sochan's form on his shot doesn't look bad so he can improve in that area. I expect Sochan will be the pick at 9. I don't think he moves the needle all that much making the Spurs all that much better than last years team as a player.
He's not a bad player added to a team with a couple of explosive scorers. Without those offensive scorers on the roster the Spurs are similar to last year.
Im not expecting any player drafted this year to move the needle Eason seems more like a plug and play type and would certainly improve quicker than sochan.
Sochan’s ideal version is Boris Diaw, maybe.
Eason is Kawhi, most likely.
To me the choice has to come down to personality. Neither are likely to sniff those comps, but no point starting a journey with either one, though specifically thinking of Eason here, if he has an abrasive personality. Not saying he does but not totally confident, either.
Mathurin and Duren seem to be the players most frequently picked for the Spurs in most recent mocks. Not that they know anything, though. Nobody foresaw Primo last year.
It makes me wonder though: if Primo were available in this year’s draft, would the Spurs pick him at #9?
Doubt it.
This year the draft is deeper.
Would be my dream scenario, but about a 1% chance of happening.
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