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Lol, awesome.
Not from the most credible of sources, but FWIW various mentions…
Lol, awesome.
the Knicks getting 7 for Randle would be good. They'd probably draft Sharpe, which means somebody would fall to us. We need more dumb FOs in front of us if we can't trade up
Not with Thibodeau they won't. They'll likely pick up Dyson Daniels, he'll be a good complement to RJ Barrett, helping them with their playmaking and defensive woes.
Chicago drafted McD when Thibs was their coach. As a coach, you don’t always get what you want.
Still pretty realistic about slim chances of top talent dropping to #9 but since the top 4 seem locked in more or less, you really only need 4 reaches to push a Keegan Murray down.
Looking at the depth chart, if Spurs part ways with Walker they may need to draft a SG almost as bad as a true PF. I like Vassell to make a big jump, and they play him at the 2, but is Primo/Richardson/Langford enough behind that or in combination with it? Might be time to reset the Walker project with a SG draft pick.
You could focus on the 2 position with Mathurin or Johnny Davis at #9 with more backup bigs on #20 and #25 like Liddell or Josh Minott
Or the reverse, use #20 or #25 to grab a 3rd string SG to reset the Walker project, say Blake Wesley at #20/25, maybe Beauchamp. Or hope Agbaji or Malaki Branham fall to #20/25. Or grab a wing you can play like SF/SG, maybe Jalen Williams falls to that range and could play the 2 spot capably.
Then you would focus the best pick #9 on the PF positional needs, more permanently pushing KJ and MCD to the SF ideally, and grab say Sochan or reach on Eason with #9, or hope Keegan Murray falls to #9 on an outside chance, or grab a true C at #9 like Williams or Duren even though the Spurs are positionally jammed with Poeltl/Zollins/Landale provided no trades outbound. Why I don't think Spurs want Duren or Williams unless they are planning to move an existing Center, say Poeltl has garnered talks of interest thus pushing Spurs to gameplan the true Centers this draft as a diligence in case they green lit a trade with Poeltl.
Now, If you send out a C like Poeltl, do you trust Zollins/Landale as lasting depth? Is say, Ca busting out unforeseen? Or are you now burning whatever you brought in from shipping out Poeltl on replacing Poeltl, making that a lateral trade?
I'm pro trading Poeltl, only if Spurs catch another team overbidding and retain enough meat in doing so, otherwise it feels like we're back where we started then unless Zollins polishes up big time. Plus is Duren or Mark Williams going to upgrade Poeltl? I'd move Poeltl and draft a green Center like Mark Williams and trust Zollins/Landale if the deal brought back the pick for Duren/Williams and an established PF like P. J. Washington for example as in the prior deal discussions with Charlotte.
That would at least balance the transition but not sure how to make it enticing for the Hornets. Would be better to keep Poeltl and try to only cut players surplus to requirements for the team's future, say offload Rich, MCD, perhaps even Langford and only take back 1 salary or only take back stuff we can waive to open up spots. Obvs if the right deal opens up for more established guys you consider that, too.
Lots of moving parts to consider. Like is Murray/Jones enough ball handling depth for the season? What if there is an injury? Should Spurs then draft a ball handler now too? lol? Has anyone counted open slots even? I think we have 3-4 slots current roster wiggle room but it's a lot to consider. I count 12 out of 17 roster slots taken, here's 12 -
Murray/Jones
Vassell/Primo/Langford
MCD/Richardson
Johnson/KBD
Poeltl/Zollins/Landale
KBD, Jones, Landale not fully guaranteed
Team option 22-23:
Vassell
Langford
Johnson
Off the Books 22-23:
Walker IV
Wiescamp
Ca
Stewart Jr
Woodward II
so long as he's got electrolytes, his actual play won't even matter a full season from now
Primo is not a 2, despite being primarily forced into the 1 and 2 position last year. If Primo is ever going to blossom, it'll be when he gets lots of reps at the 3 and is allowed to progress at that position and that position only. Perhaps if that happens, by the end of next year, we're all elated we have a 3 and D set for the next decade. If not, and he's forced into playing the 2 poorly again, dude is likely to lose confidence and be relegated to a back bench guy by his third year. He simply has not demonstrated he has the ball handling or quickness needed to play that position, nor the shooting touch as of yet. Truly unacceptable slotting of his talent, tbh.
Btw, nor is Johnson a 4. Those two players playing out of position alone, has the ability to seriously undermine the development of this team.
Yeah the positional chart is tricky because Spurs were just playing bodies anywhere on the tinker tank. I agree that Primo looked forced into roles testing stuff and it's not always natural. There seems like 6 or so natural wings on this team and some are getting pushed down and up. Another issue to tidy up with trades and drafts to shiftlock guys back into their natural positions to best compliment their abilities.
"Then you would focus the best pick #9 on the PF positional needs, more permanently pushing KJ and MCD to the SF ideally,"
I addressed that and we agree. I am pretty keen on using the #9 on a PF and a big reason is I want to force Keldon Johnson down to the SF where I think he will be better suited, then you could spot play him small ball 4 only situationally when it was an advantage.
Yup, total glut at the 3. Vassell thank goodness is versatile enough to play the 2, and McBuckets versatile enough to play the 4, but there are like 5 or 6 wings on this roster. Meanwhile, our center can't hit a free throw or shot beyond 8 feet, we haven't had afunctional PF since LMA's 3rd year, and our guards are almost always undersized.
I hate to trash PATFO as ruthlessly as I have over the past year and a half, but it's clear as day they've really failed on putting together a rational roster to prevent mismatches in the opponent's favor almost nightly. Really unsettling failures in drafting year over year for past three to four years.
I think RC being on the outskirts of that process over that time is the primary reason. RC was our guru.
The Primo pick really was my breaking point in this regard. Really became evident that by passing up Sengun, at a position of need, for a player that slotted at the wing, when we already had a glut there, was just moronic, whether or not Primo pans out or not.
We're on the same page.
"only cut players surplus to requirements for the team's future, say offload Rich, MCD, perhaps even Langford and only take back 1 salary or only take back stuff we can waive to open up spots"
Edit to add: this kind of trade would obvs be moreso centered around future draft capital sweetners in return hopefully
I agree watching Sengun last season kinda stung for sure. But Primo might take a while to kick in and has a ton of potential so I keep reminding myself to be patient and believe.
Keldon and Langford have both already had their options picked up for next year last fall. They are eligible to negotiate extensions up to the deadline, which is pretty close to the start of the season. Vassell is already under contract for next year, and will have his option for 2023 picked up before this season.
Thinking Aldridge was ever a "PF" here (even when next to Duncan and Gasol, they were really playing two C's together), there's a significant difference between the 2 and 3 or that one of the least talented rosters in the league should be passing up perceived superior talent for positional need.
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Green was a good player on a playoff teams where they need a player who can play defense and hit the 3 ball he would be a terrible player that’s on a rebuild team.
Is it to much to ask for a NBA player to be able to dribble the ball and be able to hit a outside shot or complete a layup?
23 Days to go
Wow, that does not sound like a Mike Schmitz kind of move.
Three weeks to go...
17 Days until the Draft
Mentally preparing myself for when the prospect I fell in love with falls to #9, only for the Spurs to draft someone projected outside the lottery.
Yo, we got to channel the power of positive thinking. All of us thought PAFTO would do nothing at the trade deadline, because they always do nothing at the trade deadline, but they turned out very active doing the things that we all kind of wanted them to do.
So... let's get some positive thinking going and have an A+ draft. Mathurin, Eason, JWill, Porcida. Let's do it.
The Primo pick this year would be someone like Max Christie, I think.
Primo was 12th on Pelton's list.
Hmm, Sochan is 9th on Pelton's early list.
12th? Patrick Baldwin, Jr.
So Uriel is preparing for Baldwin at 9.
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