Fair, except the "guy" is Sam Presti...
Porzingis, for all his flaws, still qualifies as a good C (odds are against Duren or Williams being as good) and Gafford is a quality backup. Given that, the fact that they just acquired the former and extended the latter and are trying to win now, they're not utilizing the 10th pick on a C.
OKC has how may draft picks in the coming years? This guy is famous for making great deals. For every great deal he makes, some poor schmuck team gets screwed even if a few years down the road. Luckily the spurs haven't dealt with him much. Lets keep it that way.
Isn't he the guy who traded James Harden for Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb?
Kelly Oubre.
I like that 9/25 for 13/15 swap. And, if their top target isn’t at 9 any more, I’d draft the better of Williams or Duren there to dangle it over CHA’s head, who will be getting nervous about not landing one of the two bigs.
Worst case they get a solid rim runner for Primo, and Jakob successor. Best case they get Davis (13) and Sochan (15).
Last edited by CGD; 06-02-2022 at 07:33 PM.
I haven’t seen that the front office knows how to draft that high anyway, unless it’s an obvious pick at #1, so it sounds good to me.
Just a question, what is stopping Hornets from signing J.Smith with MLE and keep their picks. J.Smith is still young enough to develop better and can shoot 3s which Poeltl, Duren and Williams cannot.
^ Huge drop in defensive potential
Last edited by CGD; 06-02-2022 at 07:42 PM.
Good luck trying to get both Dieng and Sochan who are your targeted players.
I'm not high on either Sochan or Dieng rather have one of Murray, Sharpe or Mathurin than both of those guys. So trying to trade up a little is a better option to me.
Agree Charlotte won't do that, it would have to be for Jak, 20 and 25 and probably only if both Duren and Williams are off the board by Charlotte's pick at 13, then they may consider pulling the trigger on a deal.
I never said I had targeted players with this scheme. I think you're confused about the entire thing.
I'm not confused. Quit saying people don't understand.
And Yes Dieng and Sochan (you've talked up these guys) would be your number one targeted options in this scenario.
My man, you're befuddled.
I've been thinking about scenarios like this for a while, and this is one of the sounder ones for the aforementioned reasons. In all honesty, staying at 9 begins to lose value once Mathurin and Daniels are gone, because Sochan might be available a few spots later, and even if he's not, having 13 & 15 guarantee we land an alternative forward with upside who's a good fit (Eason) plus a high upside wing (Johnny Davis -maybe-, or Jalen Williams, or Branham at the very least). The key here is that it's better to have 2 shots at it than 1, provided we're not talking about a significant talent gap, which I don't think it is IN THAT RANGE. I do see it being the case from about 20 on
Of course that should be also be evaluated along with other alternatives, such as moving up from 20/25 or simply getting an extra pick (or two) by means of shopping Poeltl and/or Richardson. And yes, I do know we're not going to add an inordinate amount of rookies, but you can always trade away the picks which have no value to us, meaning where no prospect of interest is available.
In any case my point is, unless you're TRULY convinced one prospect is leaps and bounds above the rest, if we're talking about similar talent level, fit, and chances of success, it's better to have some flexibility and explore alternatives trying to squeeze the most value of our position, than fixating on one guy who's not that far apart as a prospect from those in that range. Which is why moving down (from no. 9) o up (from 20/25) the the mid first round makes a lot of sense, given the considerations above.
Agree, I think the Spurs definitely need to be working the phones and be able to react as soon as the eighth pick is taken or as soon as someone says a top 6th pick is available. They should also be looking at moving up and including some players either to move up or add additional draft picks either in this year or next.
sorry but for the record, it's was an OKC scout saying it, not Presti himself.
Problem is you precisely don't know... You trade down for 13 and 15 then the two guys you really wanted are gone and you're f*cked. There's no 15 equally talented players from 1 to 15 in this draft. And the drop off from 9 to 13 might be important.
Sure, the closer the draft, the greater suddenly more players become... That's partially agents work + NBA teams smoke screen.These guys didn't improve since draft declaration...We went from a top 3 tier players, to 6-7 and now we're getting to 15 and probably to 20+ on draft day... Everyone is great suddenly even if barely anyone saw these guys play. There's definitely a part of wishful thinking in all that. But Considering we also have 20 and 25... I say keep #9. Too risky otherwise.
It just depends on what the Spurs rate the player if they think trading up is the best thing then do it ie..Kawhi/George Hill then do it- If they don't and 9 comes along and they don't like anyone for that pick and Charlotte calls up and want's it then listen to what they want and if it makes sense then do it. I am not saying do a trade nor am I saying stay pat what I am saying is that the Spurs have to to be flexible and do what ever brings us the best talent
I like this. Give Charlotte their choice of McDermott or Richardson. Effectively Spurs are swapping 20 and 38 for 13, taking on one of league's worst contracts, and getting 15 for Poeltl. It's fair. If you don't include Langford, Charlotte has more flexible cap space. If the Hornets added Poeltl, Richardson, and had a good free agency, they should be a playoff team, which Jordan wants. The Spurs' ability to be aggressive this offseason diminishes, however.
I don't like drafting the idea of drafting Duren or Mark Williams at 9, but if Mathurin, Daniels, and Sochan are all off the board at 9, swapping 9 for 13 and 15 seems reasonable. Something like Jalen Williams, Eason, Dieng at 13 and Mark Williams at 15 is plausible.
The two teams rumored to be shopping their picks are Sacramento (4) and Portland (7). If the Spurs consolidated, maybe 9 and 20 (25 too?) gets them up to 4 or 7. I wouldn't do that for Banchero, I would do it for Ivey and Smith. I'm on the fence on Holmgren. But that is moot. The more relevant questions is would the Spurs consolidate picks for Benedict Mathurin?
A more realistic option includes Keldon Johnson plus draft picks to go to 4 or 7. In these scenarios, I'd prefer to keep 9 and give up a future FRP, which Portland, at least, would likely prefer as they can later package the pick for a win now player. If the Spurs landed 7 and kept 9, there are lots of appealing scenarios where two of Mathurin, Daniels, and Sochan are available to them.
New Orleans is strong candidate to draft Mathurin or Daniels, if either is on the board. Cutting in front of them would give the Spurs the ability to grab the guy they most believed in.
If our rebuild core became Murray (vet leader), Vassel, Primo, Mathurin, and Sochan, fans would have a lot to be excited about, including our 2023 lottery pick. Plus it puts us in a position to have meaningful cap space in a future offseason that isn't such a dud. If we keep Johnson, we're far more constrained.
If I wanted to move to #4 I'd offer DJ straight up and if they bit.... sign Sexton (who'd look good next to Vassell)...move Poeltl + 25 to Charlotte for #13... draft Banchero at 4...Duren at 9..Dieng at 13...and Procida at 20...Alondes at 38
Sexton, Tre, Alondes
Vassell, Richardson, Primo
KJ, McDermott, Procida
Banchero, Dieng, KBD,
Duren, Collins, Landale
That is bold but I like being bold right now and to be honest I kind of like that trade if we could pull it off which is a big IF - But that is the kind of thinking and scenarios that I want the Spurs to be thinking and to be willing to execute if possible
I don't think Jordan moves both 13 and 15 unless he is getting an all star back.
Only problem is Kings already have Fox and Mitc in their backcourt, but generally I’m not opposed to moving DJ in a scenario like this.
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