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The Pacers have a really good fan site for breaking down draft candidates. Here's the one for Davis. You'll see links for Eason and Mathurin, too.
https://www.indycornrows.com/2022/6/...s-johnny-davis
Mmmm maybe. Def. something to keep an eye on.
The Pacers have a really good fan site for breaking down draft candidates. Here's the one for Davis. You'll see links for Eason and Mathurin, too.
https://www.indycornrows.com/2022/6/...s-johnny-davis
Excellent find.
Man, now I’m back on the Davis bandwagon lol!
Same. He has a lot of potential straight out of the box. He was inefficient, took time to start moves in college, and could have tunnel vision, but that was his role on a bad offensive team in UW. He still has significant scoring skills and, as the link runs down, he has great athleticism in a lateral, in-space way. Very quick in movement changes. Without having to carry an entire offense, he could be terrific.
He was also a great defender in college who busted his ass, and a very good rebounder. If we keep having to go undersized at the PF, then we could do worse with the PG and SG being strong rebounders. Their defense together could be excellent.
He could be the best point of attack defender in his class, or up there with Dyson Daniels. He slithers around screens adeptly, and that may be his greatest skill that should carry over day one. His defense on Jaden Ivey was impressive. That's not the reason to draft him at 9, but it's good to know that he at least shouldn't suck at defense if the Spurs pursue him.
If he starts slipping, I wouldn’t be sad if the outcome of our draft is:
- Spurs draft Duren at 9;
- Spurs trade Jak/25 to CHA for 13, take Davis;
- Liddell at 20 (assuming Eason is gone)
- Porcida at 38
Yeah, except the NBA outlawed that in 2015. There are only 3 options on a screen now: follow, go under, or switch. Any attempt to get between the ball handler and the screener is an automatic foul call. Most teams switch, which has led to the near extinction of the traditional big.
If I knew Davis was going to fall, I'd totally trade down with Charlotte, 9 and 25 for 13 and 15 and take Davis and Eason and hopefully snag a center like Williams at 20 and maybe a guard like Williams at 38.
Murray, Jones, Williams
Vassell, Richardson, Davis
Johnson, Primo, Wieskamp
McDermott, Eason, KBD
Poeltl, Collins, Williams
That's a third unit that could eventually get some surprise wins on rest days.
That would be awesome too.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in these draft rooms, especially about teeing up potential trade scenarios based on real time selection intel. You have to think they’d have all sorts of scenarios like these well mapped out ahead of time.
For sure, they've already called teams and taken calls on their picks. When draft night rolls around, it's more about looking through the rolodex of hypothetical offers to see if any meet the situation you're in then calling up the partner and asking if the deal is on rather than calling and trying to create something during the heat of the moment.
Davis probably goes 10-11, but either way that'd be selling way too low on Poeltl.
The Spurs rightly supposedly wanted a 1st in addition to the Hornets offer of Washington Jr. and Jones. In other words, they're seeking a rotation player, prospect, pick package.
Duren is not the Spurs type of C (athletic over skill based) and Liddell isn't their type of PF (4.5 as opposed to 3.5.).
Last edited by TD 21; 06-03-2022 at 04:38 PM.
I think it’s fair value on Jak in my view:
1. Clearly the spurs ask was too much
2. Leverage has declined heading into last year of his deal as opposed Feb deadline
3. Can’t make too much of Jak being pick 9 a long time ago bc of how league values centers now.
I’d argue point 2. After they passed on our trade, Charlotte dropped in the standings, all the way to 10, and were bounced in the play in. Passing on Poeltl, and going cheap by signing Trezz Harrell wrecked their season. They literally had pick 15 drop in their laps when NO played into the playoffs. It’s house money for them,and another young player isn’t going to help them.
You act like Jak is , but there were three teams interested at the deadline: CHA CHI TOR. That’s leverage. None of them did well after passing on Jak. I’d add GSW as a dark horse.
His steals make him appear to be a better defender than he has actually demonstrated. He got absolutely torched on several occasions this year, by a mul ude of different guards. He gambles too much and goes for pump fakes too often, and gets beat laterally at a really uncomfortable rate.
Beverly did a much, much, much better job defending Ja than Murray ever has, for example. As did Gary Payton Jr.
Yep. It's clear to me that Murray is someone they have to protect/hide by bringing a guard who can defend PGs. I think Murray's best defensive position is probably smaller SFs, which is basically like Vassell. The issue is that Johnson also needs to be hidden, and if both are going to start, then Vassell might not be a fit for the starting lineup. They'll need Murray/PG Defender/Johnson/Defensive combo-forward/Poeltl. I sort of think that's impractical, so I think the Spurs' D is going to suffer for years to come.
What odds do you give Jak of signing long term in CHA as opposed to testing free agency in a year?
I think Jak is solid. No debate there. Other fundamentals changed after the trade deadline, however, which is why in my view CHA would need Spurs to attach 25 and take back ~5M next year from one of their turd contracts (Plumlee or Orbe). Insurance for Jak walking for nothing in a year.
I don't think we'd need to add 25...but I agree we'd have to take back a contract..
Davis would likely get picked at 10 by Wiz, and would be another 7 page Haliburton thread
Will go to the Knicks.
Yeah, that is why I wanted Ivey cause he would be able to guard PG and still be our Starting SG/PG for years to come. Will have the same issue with Primo as I don't think he has the foot speed to guard PG or even fast SG. So we have poor defense, poor rebounding, and poor 3 point shooting - hopefully will get some players that can shore up these wholes in our team
As far as Davis I think he has been a top 7 players for the whole season that people get tired of talking about and are used to it so when a shinny new player does something nice they get attracted to that new player. But have to give the kid credit he gives 100% on offense and 100% on defense which is rare to see and he played heavy minutes the whole season so I wouldn't hate the pick but we would definitely have to shuffle some of our players - Plus he has the dog in him he don't like to loose
That’s what it takes to get to the next level. The big 3 have it. The Spurs were lucky the planets aligned to have all 3 at the same time plus a great mind and no nonesense guy as coach, the will to win against adversities. I hate to say “Mamba” mentality but that’s it. Often times skills alone are not enough, cause all NBA players have that. But not all have that “drive” to win it all. Kobe compliments Manu both giving it all in the court, every night. Davis has that. I wouldn’t mind if Spurs get Davis at 9, then find a way to plug that 4 with a defensive big is secondary.
Please cease and desist with this bull . Kobe is the guy who quit on his team in a game 7 in the playoffs. Who forced the break up of le winning combo. Who repeatedly tried to force trades to a "better" situation... Mamba mentality my ass.
The point is, Washington Jr. and Jones alone are worth more than moving up 12 spots, particularly when the Spurs already have picks 9, 20, 25 and 38.
Stagnated is probably more like it.
Him being a former 9th pick is irrelevant. Him being a quality starting C on a value (albeit expiring) contract is.
If I am a team trying to get a ring I am trading and getting a Spurs player it seems like every Spur player that has gone to a team that team has done A Lot better after trade.
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