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I'm ok with a 21 age limit. Get past those teen hormone years.
They are honest questions to Spurms proposal.
I'm ok with a 21 age limit. Get past those teen hormone years.
I fully support raising the age to purchase a long gun to 21.
Edit: I fully support raising the age to purchase a semi-auto rifle to 21. Shotguns I'm fine with 18 years old.
Unfortunately I don’t think most republicans agree with you. Hopefully I’m wrong though.
I would prefer 21 to buy any and all guns. But, this would be a start at least. Baby steps
And to be clear, only 2% of gun deaths in the US are attributed to military style guns, but obviously the school shootings get the publicity because of how abhorrent they are. Double stack handguns could be used just as effectively in school shootings if all the AR's were confiscated.
It's already 21 to buy a handgun. What other guns are you talking about?
I’m not as familiar with gun terms as you obviously. But where do shotguns fall in this discussion? Long guns as well? If so cool.
I was keeping it simple on my end and saying all guns tbh
Prices could easily approach $10,000 in the immediate aftermath of an AR-15 production ban. It's supply/demand compounded by emotional relevance. Gun nuts will freak out and buy as many as they can. Most buyers will be people who already own an AR-15 or multiple. They'll pay cash because they can't finance them anymore.
Even if they only go to half that price, the cost increase combined with the loss of financing fundamentally reduces the pool of would-be school shooters. They'll find other ways to kill their classmates or elementary schoolers, probably, but the body count will be lower and police will hopefully be less hesitant to engage. I do think it will have a substantial and immediate impact on deaths.
Add on a voluntary buyback if you like, I certainly wouldn't oppose it on principle. But not for $10,000 each.
feel like mass shootings are a separate and distinct issue from typical homicides imho
Shotguns fall under the long gun category. I edited my above comment to say I was okay with shotguns staying at 18 years old age minimum.
I am okay and support semi-auto long gun age being raised to 21.
From the NRA funneled thru the politicians funneled thru the alt right talking heads funneled thru you. They're easily answered with any basic logic
How would removing a particular style of a semi-auto rifle reduce the pool of would-be school shooters? School shooters would just move on to another semi-auto rifle...and there are plenty to choose from.
Same capacity, same rate of fire, more powerful ammo.
Companies that previously made AR15s will just start making non-AR15 semi auto rifles for cheap.
Your plan wouldn't do much to reduce school shootings, but I'm not claiming to have one that works either. I think the focus needs to be less on what gun was used and more on why they are happening more frequently. What the is wrong with the 15-19 year old boys that are deciding to carry these shootings out? I believe it has a lot to do with these ed up loners excessive use of the internet and social media. It's the only difference I see from when I was their age 25 years ago. If internet/social media is the problem I don't have an answer for that either other than parents actually parenting and not letting their children fester online 24/7.
If they are so easy then answer them.
Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.
How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?
At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?
How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?
Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?
How long before Adelmann stops waking in the black of night and watching Horry can that er at Staples?
It's a starting point targeting the favorite semi-auto of school shooters, and also the specific topic of conversation we're having. But hey, ban these too. You didn't ask me for my complete list of bans or gun control measures.How would removing a particular style of a semi-auto rifle reduce the pool of would-be school shooters? School shooters would just move on to another semi-auto rifle...and there are plenty to choose from.
One of my general standards for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon is as follows:
Are police officers going to avoid engaging with an active shooter carrying this weapon?
If the answer is yes, that weapon should be very difficult and expensive to come by, and we should not be making new ones.
Immediately less often.
Moot question. Not relevant to legislation.At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?
How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?
Why does it have to be dramatic?Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?
The AR15 is the most popular semi-auto rifle around right now so it's not a surprise school shooters choose it. You can completely eliminate them and another semi-auto will take their place. It's a stupid starting point IMO.
Your standard for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon basically comes down to eliminate all semi-auto long guns and hand guns. Why not just say that is what you want from the start?
Doesn't mean the frequency of school shootings stops because plenty of other semi-auto rifles available
Directly relevant to Spurminator's comments. Don't jump in the middle of a conversation if you don't want to converse.
It doesn't have to be dramatic. Do you believe there would be a drop in school shootings if a semi-auto rifle that looked a certain way was banned but semi-auto rifles that looked different yet performed the exact same were not banned?
Because you were talking about AR15s when I first responded, and your questions were specific to AR15s.
And I disagree that cops are just as unlikely to engage with an active shooter carrying a handgun.
I did. And I don’t think er is an obstacle here.
Any Infringement of unrestricted gun rights will be overruled by the Supreme Court
Gun owners will laud the AR-15 and brag about how many they own and then in the same breath they'll tell you it's no different than any other semi-auto.
Why is it so popular then, if it's no different? Educate me. Is it just because it looks cooler? Because even if that's all it is, that's reason enough for me to target them first.
It's not like there's no legislative precedent for banning certain versions of destructive items based on superficial reasons. We're banning menthol cigarettes in 2022. Is that going to substantially cut smoking related health issues?
Probably some Columbine wannabes are going to find shooting up a school with an M1A less kickass than using an AR-15 and that alone might save lives. And if it works just as well for hog hunting or whatever you might use them for if you ever take them out of the safe, seems like you lose nothing.
But my guess is there are substantial differences that gun owners don't like to talk about in the context of a gun control debate.
...As it should be.
But until that moment...---NOW---...double your arms stockpile, double your ammunition cache. &&& learn how to build your own ammunition.
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