so 7 is to much but 9 is not near enough so they have to trow in a player plus another pick? I am not a zollins fan and would not mind moving him but this is saying that he has negative value.
In these scenarios the Spurs would get back 16. To me, coming out of draft night with Jollins and say Jalen Williams or Eason or Ochai would be a good night.
Zollins is salary ballast who could be a backup big for Atlanta.
I don't know that 9 is worth both Jollins and 16. And there's probably some decent risks at 16 that might not be around at 20 or 25.
OG is on block. Go for him.
If 7 is an overpay the so is 9.... Zollins is only partially guaranteed so he's just salary ballast that we could include or just waive ourselves...
If we would be getting back 16 I could see us doing it more then. We would get a good player not move down to much. I think I would want their pick next year as well. Collins could end up being a negative asset and if they want to move on from him we might be able to push for more. either that or include mcdermont in it. We also have to make sure to watch our team size and I dont know how many guaranteed contracts they have.
So i would be looking at something along the lines of 9 +25 + mcdermont and if they wanted zollins for Collins 16 and their pick next year top (10?) protected?
I'm all for John Collins as y'all know, but I'm not trading #9 for him
If it's not 9, then they wouldn't have a chance (Spurs can likely get one of the Hornets 1sts for Poeltl though if they want to trade for an impact forward without dropping too low). The trade suggested wouldn't get it done either.
I'd rather pursue Anunoby though, the preferred 3.5 to Collins' 4.5.
Last edited by TD 21; 06-11-2022 at 11:07 AM.
I’d see what I could get from the draft and potential trade to move up. I feel with swavvy maneuvering, and a lot of luck, Spurs could address some of their immediate needs on this draft. Then I’d see how a LaVine, Ayton or J-Collins would fit or not. If we get a Duren, that negates an Ayton. A LaVine could derail a Mathurin’s development, etc.
Gotta ask yourself: If Atlanta is a playoff team and they have Collins locked up on a pretty reasonable contract through 2025, why are they looking to trade him?
I rather trade for OG if he is really available over signing Lavine or Ayton.
It's a good question. ATL drafts fairly well and seems to be loaded with decent to good players, but they still mostly suck. If I had to guess, it's because Trae Young, ultimately, is a hard player to build around. His defense, I believe, is rated at near Forbes level. I'm guessing they could benefit from a different approach, but don't follow them that closely.
Multiple things are plausible contributing factors:
1. Collins health this past season combined with lower stats means his trade value might never be better as the years lessen
2. Conflict with Trae Young. Maybe overblown but it's been out there. But why would it matter now? Because ...
3. The owner came out and said that standing pat with the same roster was a mistake. So changes are expected.
4. They drafted Okongwu 6th overall but not to be a bench player. Considering people expect him to be a shooter eventually with the fact that he's a bad rebounder and only 6-8 makes him just as likely to be ready to step in at PF as he is at C, and Capela is the key to their defense.
5. Some in the organization might be prone to think that Jalen Johnson is ready to come in and put up numbers at a fraction of the price.
6. A high enough draft pick can get them a reasonable candidate for secondary shot creator eventually, like Dyson Daniels for instance as some people believe in his potential to create plus his defense next to Trae would be very beneficial
7. A deal of Collins into capspace with Portland, Detroit or San Antonio or OKC gives them a huge cap exception to acquire better wing talent, or they could get Richardson from the Spurs and he'd probably be their best wing defender and possibly wing shooter
Atlanta has been looking to pair Trae Young with a 3-and-D SG so they should have some interest in J-Rich
Collins is on the brink of being considered a bad contract kinda like Derrick White last season. This off-season might be the last opportunity to net positive assets in return.
He already is a bad contract. Atlanta has regretted resigning him ever since it happened and has been looking to dump him ever since.
yea, bos will be wanting out of that white contract soon enough too
OG for Poeltl (Raps interested at deadline), Langford, 20th, 25th and future 1st. Draft Sochan and Sign Ayton. Call it an offseason.
Heh, I literally just posted in the Duren thread to consider a Jak/OG trade, no details offered in mine though.
There is a big difference between 7 and 9.
7 guarantees you one of either Mathurin, Murray or Sharpe. All those guys may be gone by 9 and have greater upside than the tier of players who come after.
Odds are at least one of Mathurin or Sharpe will be there at 9...and it could very well be both..
The Toronto Raptors are not looking to trade OG Anunoby, league sources told HoopsHype. For Toronto to consider trading Anunoby, it would have to be a substantial trade package for the soon-to-be 25-year-old forward along the lines of a noteworthy upgrade at center or a top-10 draft pick.
Sounds like an obvious wink wink at The Spurs and The Pacers to me.
I don't think so. Odds are they are both gone by 9.
Well...we've only got a short time until that debate is settled...
Interesting 'or' there. I've seen allusions to significant trade packages that they'd want including both good players and picks. And those packages are pretty rich. If we could manage to not give up too much beyond Poeltl to send him back home, I'd give him a hearty clap on the back and send him on his way. I wouldn't trade the #9 for Anunoby though.
Landry used to be with The Spurs organization…
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