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If Poeltl would take that there's no reason to trade him tbh.
I think your last paragraph is the key to a whole lot of the narratives we see playing out (from jak to pick 9 to Cap space)... we don't know what direction the FO wants to take but I think Thursday night will give us a strong indication..
If Poeltl would take that there's no reason to trade him tbh.
Can‘t wait for the meltdown if this happens
"Don't tell them you worked out with us" sounds about right for CIAPATFO.
Good. This is the way, guys.
I think a lot of people here are missing the point. I wouldn‘t trade Poeltl for the Charlotte picks. You trade Poeltl for a starting PF only. That‘s the hole on this team that you can‘t fix in free agency or in our draft range. If you can put a deal together you draft a big for his replacement. If not keep him and try to get a PF otherwise. Yes teams won‘t pay as much for Jakob as they did for White, but there‘s plenty of interest.
I‘m basically saying if you can package him for OG Anounoby do it. If you want John Collins it‘s probably better to keep him since the Hawks want 3-and-D guards. A Collins deal looks unrealistic to me though, seems like the Kings will trade #4 for him
I dont think its this clear cut. I agree if you can get OG or whatever you do it. But I definitely think getting 13 for him is also something SA should consider too.
SA needs value and assets and talent. Especially if they are not going to use trades/cap space to leap this team into legit PO contention.
I want Mathurin, but if we could get OG for Jak + maybe 20 or 25, I say we do that in a heartbeat and draft Duren at 9.
they already have a bunch of picks in this draft though. They need starting caliber players not 5 picks in one draft. 13 is certainly attractive, but there‘s no doubt Poeltl can land you a starting 4
The idea of "Poeltl's good, so it doesn't make sense to trade him" is ridiculous fan logic. There are tons of scenarios where it makes sense to keep Poeltl. I'd go so far as to say I'd prefer that he stay. But him being good is why we're talking about the team trading him, not because he's bad.
The Spurs are not likely to draft their next superstar. Folks just have to accept that. Jakob has been a good example of a ninth pick working out. Drafting a center with the hope they can have a similar impact as Poeltl while fitting the modern game a bit more makes sense if you think it's there.
That said Poeltl is a good player. I'd go so far as to say he's the only player who's already proven to be good enough to pencil into a contending lineup. That belief explains all of why other teams seem to want him, why there are scenarios where SA should absolutely endeavor to keep him AND why the Spurs shouldn't consider moving him as a legitimate step toward competing this year. They aren't just a PF away. They're two top-six rotation guards and two starting forwards away, with at least one of those players being an All-Star. Maybe they draft some of those guys. Maybe some develop next year. I hope so. But they aren't a boat with a hole to patch. They are scattered lumber floating down a stream someone is trying to lash together to avoid drowning. Outside of acquiring Ayton or Turner, trading Poeltl is a sign the Spurs are taking a step back and will look at a more complete rebuild, not them putting on the finishing touches of a strong young core.
If there was effort to obscure Duren workout(s), rather than just him messing around ...Can‘t wait for the meltdown if this happens
I suppose the obvious is that they'd be worried about trades in front of them. Portland's pick at 7 and New Orleans at 8. Portland's been in rumors for Jerami Grant, and Duren +5 would be interesting.
The other team I could see them worried about is OKC moving to 8. Lots of bs gets floated by OKC, so I don't find these reports of OKC moving up for Sharpe that believable. Last year the rumors were them loving Bouknight, then they swerved everyone with taking Giddey higher than expected.
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I agree with this other than that we have a strong young core. We have DJ and a few decent young pieces. That’s it. Moving Jak makes sense in that we are already closing in on anither rebuild because we didn’t do it right the first time.
I think the okc moving up for Sharpe is just smoke myself... SGA, Giddey, Chet, and Duren looks alot better than SGA, Giddey, Chet, and Sharpe moving forward... I think both Okc and the Spurs are high on Duren right now..
Looking through Twitter looks like Duren gave the same answer about not knowing if he could disclose when asked about OKC
This sounds like his personality to screw around. Locked on Blazers had an episode talking doing things differently with the media in Portland for his workout, just nonsense really
so trading Poeltl for Anounoby would be a step back? Just curious
Maybe I wasn't clear in what I meant. I agree with you that the team doesn't have a strong young core that was the point I was making. Trading Poeltl with the expectation of completing the core doesn't make sense, because they don't have anything like a real core yet.
Duren next to Chet is a nightmare to me. It's precisely what they need to do. Holmgren is more of a PF and needs some beef next to him. Suddenly the Thunder look like they have a direction and just need shooters. (Yes, their perimeter defense is suspect, but with Giddey it's never going to be great.)
The 'smoke' about the Spurs targeting Duren does not have to mean they're targeting him for themselves. The trade down to Charotte is still a possibility.
Understood. I like Jak but I also think the D White treatment for guys like Jak and Keldon is imminent. If we aren’t going to tank, and are unlikely to make a splash via free agency harvesting gains on guys like that are the only way we will eventually land a future cornerstone.
It's not realistic, since OG's value is way higher. But on its own, it's a lateral move that would have to be supplemented by aggressively attacking the position.
Somehow getting OG for just Poeltl and filler, drafting someone like Davis at 9 and macing Ayton could make the Spurs interesting. But simply going from the current team with Jakob to the current team with OG isn't a meaningful step toward contention, even though it's a pipe dream.
You can trade out of 20 and 25 or use them to move up further. You dont have to keep all of them..
Correct - it would be something like Trade for OG, trade for Collins or sign Ayton and move up in draft using whatever is left of 20/25 and future picks to great two lottery pick players for rotation.
But even just trading Jakob for OG would be a win (if costs were decent) because you can replace C easier. It shuffles things round, but in a more palatable format to build which is ok too.
Drafting a center is better then another doomsday/mismanagement of draft assets, meaning I’ll take it before drafting another cherub with low athleticism, but ideally neither and we get a player with upside and/or skills at a useful position, because Duren/Williams are a far cry from Embiid, Joker, KAT, and Williams/Duren could easily be a step down from Yak.
I see it as very realistic actually since reports say they would do it for a starting C. So Poeltl, J-Rich and 25 should work and would make both teams better, but of course we can only guess.
It would be like Detroit offering Grant and filler for Murray since they hear the Spurs want a starting PF.
that's a pretty bad example tbh. The Raptors were clearly interested in a Poeltl trade since the deadline and he has played there before so an extension would basically be guaranteed. Also OG is not the best player on the Raptors roster and the Spurs don't have 3 starting level PGs
Duren makes sense as an upside play and BPA given where they are in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed with the pick.
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