Report: Hawks Trying to Move Into Lottery; John Collins a Candidate to be Moved

[RC_Drunkford]

Kings would probably offer Harrison Barnes and Divicenzo. Blazers Josh Hart or the 7th pick. None of those players are attractive, but 7th might. I think Dallas and Utah could be candidates

[DPG21920]

Would Spurs fans do:

ATL Gets: Vassell + Doug + 25

SA Gets: Collins + 16

The way I look at it: Spurs are paying Doug 13.75M no matter what, so would you rather that 13.75 go towards Collins instead and pay Collins 13M additional (making him functionally a 13M a year player for SA)? On top of addressing biggest positional need and still maintaining cap space to sign additional talent? Plus SA gets to keep 9 and move up 9 spots from 25 to 16.

It tough, I love Vassell and think hes likely worth keeping instead of doing this deal, but I figure this is what a deal would likely look like more or less.

Would y’all do it?

[mo7888]

Would Spurs fans do:

ATL Gets: Vassell + Doug + 25

SA Gets: Collins + 16

The way I look at it: Spurs are paying Doug 13.75M no matter what, so would you rather that 13.75 go towards Collins instead and pay Collins 13M additional (making him functionally a 13M a year player for SA)? On top of addressing biggest positional need and still maintaining cap space to sign additional talent? Plus SA gets to keep 9 and move up 9 spots from 25 to 16.

It tough, I love Vassell and think hes likely worth keeping instead of doing this deal, but I figure this is what a deal would likely look like more or less.

Would y’all do it?

It really depends on what other options are out there but I'd probably pass..

[slick'81]

It really depends on what other options are out there but I'd probably pass..

yea ,definitely no go

[DPG21920]

It really depends on what other options are out there but I'd probably pass..

Do we feel confident Vassell will exceed the quality of player of Collins and any thoughts on Keldon being a 3 and their being overlap and this locking in more balanced talent vs the overlap?

[Leetonidas]

I'd rather have Vassell over Collins. I like Collins but I don't think his ceiling is much higher whereas I think Vassell has barely scratched the surface

[KingKev]

Do we feel confident Vassell will exceed the quality of player of Collins and any thoughts on Keldon being a 3 and their being overlap and this locking in more balanced talent vs the overlap?

Vassell, Keldon and Primo can be replaced easily in this draft alone so they should be considerations in a Collins trade if ATL want to eat McLovin.

[TD 21]

Do we feel confident Vassell will exceed the quality of player of Collins and any thoughts on Keldon being a 3 and their being overlap and this locking in more balanced talent vs the overlap?

I don't think either team does that trade and Vassell is a 3/2 while Johnson is a 3/4, in a league where wings typically populate 2-4 simultaneously, so no, there's not overlap.

[spurraider21]

Spurs should definitely try to get Collins. Hes young enough, established enough and helps move the team forward talent wise and position of need. SA has cap space they need to use before it dries up and if they want to move the timeline up a little this is a low risk deal as he can be moved later if need be.

It should not take “much” to get him. McDermott + Richardson + 9 for Collins + 16

If you can keep 9 and get him still? Even more no brainer.

my thoughts as well

i like collins a lot. the fit is obvious. #9 seems steep though. would consider a trade inovlving a swap where we still take #16 though.

if josh richardson is valued as a late first (a first from a contender), maybe a deal where we get collins and 16 for 9, richardson, mcdermott, or something along those lines

[DPG21920]

If we can keep Vassell and Keldon I easily do it. If it’s involving Vassell? Gets tougher.

[Dverde]

I’d rather keep Devin over Keldon at this point. I can sorta see Keldon’s apex right now, but Devin is still developing his game.

[FutureMan]

Vassell, Keldon and Primo can be replaced easily in this draft alone so they should be considerations in a Collins trade if ATL want to eat McLovin.

Unless it’s for a real star I can’t see the Spurs trading any of their draft picks like Vassell and Primo.

[poopbox]

I like Collins but not trading Devin for him. I think Devin is going to have a breakout dejountesque year.

[RC_Drunkford]

I‘m not trading Vassell for Collins. Anything involving J-Rich, McDermott or Poeltl and a pick in the 20s I‘d pull the trigger on

[DPG21920]

What if they insist on 9 if SA won’t put Vassell in?

[slick'81]

What if they insist on 9 if SA won’t put Vassell in?

then no trade

[DPG21920]

I would rather do 9 + McDermott + Richardson than Vassell tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

What if they insist on 9 if SA won’t put Vassell in?

I‘m not doing that. And I really like Collins fit, but they not getting 9. I think they would do Collins for Brogdon straight up, but the question would be what does Indiana want for Brogdon?

[tonight...you]

I just think Collins is a tread water thing.
And a lot of that comes from his janky injury history and his commitment to playing winning basketball.
Talented as , but I see no team commitment.
Pop ain't going to fix that.

[talkspurs]

i would do 9 for 16 as long as they took back mcdermott.

[objective]

I just think Collins is a tread water thing.
And a lot of that comes from his janky injury history and his commitment to playing winning basketball.
Talented as , but I see no team commitment.
Pop ain't going to fix that.

I think his injury history is overhyped.

What's under hyped is one more positive performance juice test fail and he's suspended 55 games. One more after that and he's banned from the league.

[SAGirl]

Would Spurs fans do:

ATL Gets: Vassell + Doug + 25

SA Gets: Collins + 16

The way I look at it: Spurs are paying Doug 13.75M no matter what, so would you rather that 13.75 go towards Collins instead and pay Collins 13M additional (making him functionally a 13M a year player for SA)? On top of addressing biggest positional need and still maintaining cap space to sign additional talent? Plus SA gets to keep 9 and move up 9 spots from 25 to 16.

It tough, I love Vassell and think hes likely worth keeping instead of doing this deal, but I figure this is what a deal would likely look like more or less.

Would y’all do it?

I am still bullish on Vassell so I wouldn’t do it.

[mo7888]

i would do 9 for 16 as long as they took back mcdermott.

If these are off the board at 9...then I'd do the 9 for 16 swap if the take Doug and we get JC..

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[TimmehC]

If it comes down to it, I would trade Keldon before I'd trade Vassell. Devin just has fewer obvious flaws in his game, while KJ has some glaring limitations.

To make the money work, you're probably sending McD, Zollins and Keldon, along with a pick swap. If you're confident you can keep J. Collins healthy, that's a good trade. I'm not confident about that myself, but the front office has a lot more Intel and experience than I do.

[mo7888]

If it comes down to it, I would trade Keldon before I'd trade Vassell. Devin just has fewer obvious flaws in his game, while KJ has some glaring limitations.

To make the money work, you're probably sending McD, Zollins and Keldon, along with a pick swap. If you're confident you can keep J. Collins healthy, that's a good trade. I'm not confident about that myself, but the front office has a lot more Intel and experience than I do.

You don't have to send anyone to make the money work...