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Don’t think Sean Elliott is quite 6’9 either but yea, Primo’s like 6’5 or 6’6 with shoes on.
exactly! Wth was the point of drafting him if were already searching for his replacement
Don’t think Sean Elliott is quite 6’9 either but yea, Primo’s like 6’5 or 6’6 with shoes on.
^ What KingKiev said is also a result of having 4 picks, some of which will be guards/wings coming in. If there was only one first round pick in the team every year -- with second round picks coming in so late in the second round that they weren't even worth Gleague deals most times in the past -- then guys also had longer to develop, with less pressure. That isn't the case now and because the team has less talent, guys are needed to help win games sooner.
Last edited by SAGirl; 06-21-2022 at 07:35 PM.
The Spurs miscalculated Primo's upside.
Bring in another guard upgrade and make Primo earn his minutes.
Not going to get into where he would have been drafted versus where he could have been drafted. That's covered ground, and it doesn't matter anymore. Some players can and will develop and slower paces. There's nothing about the new state of the Spurs that will change that. Provided the team doesn't tech into the a win-now build by signing free agents, playing time is going to be based on development just as much if not more than current ability. I'm very confident that PATFO is happy with Primo's performance, even if you and other posters aren't. You guys are looking for Primo to justify his draft slot by hoping he shows something that aligns with your idea of a high pick. That's understandable, but you guys should consider that PATFO might be looking for different things from him than the projection you put on him. It's much more likely that the Spurs drafted Primo not expecting him to have elite "burst" after seeing him not show that throughout the draft process rather than than them somehow getting fooled into believing he had that. This isn't Sharpe -- Josh played plenty of combine minutes and had workouts to display his quickness and athleticism. So assuming he's the guy they looked at and drafted, I imagine the Spurs aren't going to stop playing him if someone looks a bit better than him.
As I said, I don't disagree that drafting a guy like Davis or Mathurin wouldn't make the rotation tighter for Primo. Right now, he's the starting two-guard, but like many people, I hope the Spurs get more size in their starting unit. It's not guaranteed though. The Spurs can and probably will continue to play Vassell and Johnson as the forwards. If that's the case, there are three rotation spots Primo has to fill: starting two-guard, backup two-guard and backup small-forward. Even if a person like Mathurin beats him out for one of those jobs and even if Walker comes back, Primo could still snag a spot. If the Spurs don't draft a two-guard at 9, it's very possible whichever back-court players they do pick will be more likely to play in the d-league than take his minutes, just as a matter of course.
DeJounte Murray took over the starting PG job on 01/21/2018. Until that point, he was averaging 6/4/2 and a steal, shooting 41 percent from the floor. That was Murray during the first have of his second year in the league. Primo averaged 6/2/2 with about a half-block and half-steal shooting 37 percent from the floor. It's okay that he didn't light the world on fire right away. That isn't what happens to most guys in the NBA. I was one of the folks most critical of the d-league approach because I felt like this type of transition is normal. PATFO isn't going to overreact to the lack of stats.
This doesn't make as much sense as you're putting into it. The Spurs don't need everyone to contribute right away because expectations are lower. Yes, if the Spurs are to win 50 games without bringing in free agents, that would mean guys they draft would have to swim earlier. But they're losing 50ish games instead. Some guys will eat first, but they will move on as the years go by just as with the older players. If Primo is going to be be a good player in year four, then it doesn't matter if we were talking about him on the 2013 Spurs or the 2023 Spurs. The team isn't likely to draft a bunch of star guards that will be ahead of an actualized Primo. Just because someone potentially out-competes Primo in year two training camp doesn't mean they'd do so in year four. That's ignoring that the guy who beat him out in year two might not even be on the team anymore or a guy who had been ahead of them both might not be. Guys will develop at different paces. That is inevitable. I believe in taking high-floor players as much as anyone on this forum. But unless the Spurs shift exclusively in that direction, they aren't going to be close-minded about having a diversity of roadmaps.
It's possible he doesn't earn a rotation spot, like a regular rotation spot, and that may be what is referenced here, though I won't speak for KingKiev.
I do think however, that things are less regimented and the rookies may get chances sooner than they would in the past if they look more ready to play than him. The situation is fluid and because of the nature of a long NBA season being what it is, he will still get opportunities even if he doesn't earn a regular spot anyway. Even blowout losses are opportunities to get development minutes and no one should ever take those for granted. It may also come in the reverse. He may get first dibs because he's the veteran, but if he doesn't cut it, the rookies are going to start getting opportunities over him.
Primo needs to show a better game next time his number is called up. I doubt he is handed a role just because he's a second year player. Spurs will still find him time to develop if he isn't ready, but it may come scattered like Lonnie's came in early. It's up to himself to show why he should play regular minutes, and why he deserves a regular spot.
I don’t think the Spurs are worried about Primo at all; the kid was ok and will only get bigger / better hopefully. Way to much ink about nothing.
Gotta love Sean. Trying to meme a Josh Primo growth spurt into reality when it's just a 6-foot-8 guy towering over a hopefully-maybe-fingers-crossed-6-foot-5 guy.
Primo is a 2-3 years project with Star expectations, period. Remember, they passed on Duarte or Sengun who are good role players, for Primo. So he’s not just going to be a role player. But at 18 years old, that meant 2-3 years. Time would tell if that was a missed shot. Each draft would be different. Davis at pick 9 I think can immediately contribute from day 1. Hopefully Sochan/Eason if Spurs are lucky to trade up, would also be a contributor from day 1 due to lack of size at 4. While picks 25 and 38 would be G-League or stash.
I don’t think Primo is meant to compete right now. I think he will continue to get playing time in Austin and occasionally play with the big club when opportunity comes.
i sure as hope primo never steps foot in austin again
Primo was done with Austin last year in my opinion. He’ll probably play Summer League, but once pop started prioritizing him, I don’t see that reversing.
It’s up to him what he does. But I don’t think there’s a pressure on him to contribute on his 2nd year, much like other rookies before him DJ, Derrick, Lonnie, etc. And again he’s not your typical lottery pick who would be expected to contribute much earlier. He was a homer pick, betting that he will have great upsides once he puts them together. Judging on passing both Duarte and Sengun, the expectations are not short of an AS for Primo imo. But if it’s a missed, then hopefully a great role player. But I think the expectations are there.
Spurs are not contending next year. They will give Primo as much time to improve and if that means more quality minutes at Austin compare to garbage minutes with the big club. I really think he will split his time to make the most of his learning time.
Please read this article and finally stop trying to present yourself as a draft expert better than those that the team has, if you do not bring normal aggrumentation. Not those sluggish theses about supposedly mediocre athleticism and comparisons with the players of the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
What they usually do in year 2 is to send the player to SL in a leadership role, and if they see what they want on and off the court, they shut him down after 3-4 games.
Oh, and yes, Primo is done with Austin.
He was starting while we were trying to make the play in. He may have played like garbage but they weren’t garbage minutes.
I'm excited for Primo. Derrick White 2.0 but with confidence.
Not a bad analogy.
The Primo Era was an odd one. The Spurs loved him. No other team was ever impressed.I was curious what a non-Spurs fan thought so I texted a scout employed by an NBA team who watched Primo in person both in G League and in the NBA . . .
Ouch, tbh
Too much confidence tbh
Honestly I find myself shocked at the blurbs I keep seeing in national print stories about him that all seem to be talking about him like he had a great preseason and was on the verge of s om. It just reminds me how much of people's narrative is either uninformed or recycled from someone else's useless opinion.
I saw very little improvement in his game from last year when it became clear they had him starting to have some ball handling duties. Lots of turnovers, not a pure passer and unlikely headed toward being one, poor in traffic, not good in transition, didn't create his own easy shots, average finisher, etc.
At best, despite being the highest draft pick on the team aside from Sochan in 24 years, he was still probably our 8th or 9th best player on any given night.
Simply atrocious narrative on his skill and impact to date on this team. And shame on Pop and the guys in the coaching ranks for forcing him into that PG spot. Maybe, though purely speculation, some of this stuff doesn't have a chance to happen if the kids not getting his option picked up and isn't comfortable about his position on the team.
And anyone who dared to share such opinion in here got pegged as a hater by the usual suspects.
Thanks for the reminder, I stand by what I said and I'd take late 1st round prospects (like Wesley & Jovic) and even go into the 2nd round (like Nembhard, Koloko, Hardy, etc.) before Primo, and that was before this all happened.
As a big doubter of Primo, I think it's a little tiny bit overboard on the game critiques.
I do see him as a Kyle Anderson type. Not exact because of the differences in passing and shooting but An eventual mle guy of good size who can make a few passes and spot up.
I do think his game development wasn't finished, I could see the potential of him chaining skills together to be a complete whole. One of his final shots as a spur, maybe his last ever, was a made three off the dribble, though he was kind of shamed into it by MN defense. I had been remarking on his lack of pull up threes as a supposed shooter all season. If he had worked off the dribble shots into his game after getting comfortable having to run the show for others, I think he was on his way to a 10+ year career. I think he was better primed for that relative success than another slow mid sized wing like Culver.
He's still no Sengun though.
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