Supreme Court rules in favor of firearms owners in major 2nd Amendment case;

[spurraider21]

What about California? They have the toughest gun laws in the country. Yet there are 12 states that have less gun deaths per person.

so its what, in the top quartile despite also having some of the most populated metro areas in the country? nice

results arent usually perfectly linear in any situation, though trend lines are still useful tools

[SpursforSix]

You should compare this chart with state poverty rates. I think you'll see a correlation.

[SpursforSix]

so its what, in the top quartile despite also having some of the most populated metro areas in the country? nice

results arent usually perfectly linear in any situation, though trend lines are still useful tools

That was kind of my point. Presenting one chart without accounting for large metro areas or poverty rate, etc. doesn't really tell a full story.

[SnakeBoy]

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[spurraider21]

That was kind of my point. Presenting one chart without accounting for large metro areas or poverty rate, etc. doesn't really tell a full story.

on the contrary. the worst performing states are the ones you wouldnt expect if you look at things like population density. wyoming? montana? alaska?

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& in that circa I thought we were royally porked after Bork.

Uh, uh.

& didn't President Trump nail all 3-THREE-3 of his picks? Christ-a-mighty!!!

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[SpursforSix]

on the contrary. the worst performing states are the ones you wouldnt expect if you look at things like population density. wyoming? montana? alaska?

It needs to be looked at on a city basis imo. It's all in how the data is presented.
I can show you a list of the cities with the largest % of African Americans and almost every one of those is in the top 40 highest murder rate cities.

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The Supreme Court
STRUCK-IT-DOWN!!!

[The Gemini Method]

Interesting.

[ducks]

Restricting concealed carry laws did not stop what happened in buffalo
Less restrictions might have changed outcome

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

on the one hand, more people will probably die as a result of this latest piece of wrapped in vellum masquerading as legal reasoning handed down by the 100% party-politicized US Supreme Court.

on the other hand, more guns may be sold

[pgardn]

Restricting concealed carry laws did not stop what happened in buffalo
Less restrictions might have changed outcome

So you think the good guys in New York will carry and crime will go down.
This is what will occur? Cant wait to see the outcome.

[spurraider21]

It needs to be looked at on a city basis imo. It's all in how the data is presented.
I can show you a list of the cities with the largest % of African Americans and almost every one of those is in the top 40 highest murder rate cities.

even if taken at face value, this doesnt help us from a policy perspective, seeing as how genociding black people isnt really on the table

[SpursforSix]

even if taken at face value, this doesnt help us from a policy perspective, seeing as how genociding black people isnt really on the table

I agree. And I'm not saying that blacks are inherently more violent than other races. Just that the problem with gun violence may have more to do with urban poverty than gun laws. Not that I'm against tightening gun laws.

[spurraider21]

I agree. And I'm not saying that blacks are inherently more violent than other races. Just that the problem with gun violence may have more to do with urban poverty than gun laws. Not that I'm against tightening gun laws.

right. buy wyoming, alaska, montana, arkansas etc are not states with a lot of urban poverty, and yet they are at or near the top of the list for the most gun deaths per capita

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The Supreme Court
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[SpursforSix]

right. buy wyoming, alaska, montana, arkansas etc are not states with a lot of urban poverty, and yet they are at or near the top of the list for the most gun deaths per capita

As to Arkansas, Little Rock is one of the most violent cities in the U.S. and makes up for a large % or Arkansas population.

For some reason, 86% of gun deaths in Wyoming and Montana were by suicide.

Here's what they say about Alaska:
"In Alaska, young American Indian/ Alaska Native and Black males are disproportionately impacted by firearm homicide. American Indian/ Alaska Native males aged 15-34 have a firearm homicide rate 4.5 times higher than White males of the same age group and Black males aged 15-34 have a firearm homicide rate 9 times higher than White males of the same age group."

I'm wondering if the relatively high native populations in Wyoming and Montana also have something to do with the high death rates by guns. Especially since so many are suicides. Maybe, "urban poverty" was wrong. Maybe it's just poverty.

[SpursforSix]

As to Arkansas, Little Rock is one of the most violent cities in the U.S. and makes up for a large % or Arkansas population.

For some reason, 86% of gun deaths in Wyoming and Montana were by suicide.

Here's what they say about Alaska:
"In Alaska, young American Indian/ Alaska Native and Black males are disproportionately impacted by firearm homicide. American Indian/ Alaska Native males aged 15-34 have a firearm homicide rate 4.5 times higher than White males of the same age group and Black males aged 15-34 have a firearm homicide rate 9 times higher than White males of the same age group."

I'm wondering if the relatively high native populations in Wyoming and Montana also have something to do with the high death rates by guns. Especially since so many are suicides. Maybe, "urban poverty" was wrong. Maybe it's just poverty.

[Ef-man]

Or they could be veterans with PTSD.

[The Gemini Method]

I have relatives in Juneau, and they're pretty succinct with their "wild wild west" anecdotes of the gun violence up there. It's pretty crazy.

[DMC]

so its what, in the top quartile despite also having some of the most populated metro areas in the country? nice

results arent usually perfectly linear in any situation, though trend lines are still useful tools

But I thought it was about guns.

[Blake]

Even poor people have a right to bear an AR-15

[spurraider21]

As to Arkansas, Little Rock is one of the most violent cities in the U.S. and makes up for a large % or Arkansas population.

For some reason, 86% of gun deaths in Wyoming and Montana were by suicide.

Here's what they say about Alaska:
"In Alaska, young American Indian/ Alaska Native and Black males are disproportionately impacted by firearm homicide. American Indian/ Alaska Native males aged 15-34 have a firearm homicide rate 4.5 times higher than White males of the same age group and Black males aged 15-34 have a firearm homicide rate 9 times higher than White males of the same age group."

I'm wondering if the relatively high native populations in Wyoming and Montana also have something to do with the high death rates by guns. Especially since so many are suicides. Maybe, "urban poverty" was wrong. Maybe it's just poverty.

so either blacks or native americans