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It's confusing here almost no one thinks that DjM will be top 2 player in a contending team but thinks that he deserve a Max contract.
and Sochan filling a massive hole at the 4. This is still a treadmill team destined for compe ive mediocrity.
It's confusing here almost no one thinks that DjM will be top 2 player in a contending team but thinks that he deserve a Max contract.
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You're basically praying Dejounte walks in 2024 and Trae's ACL blows up in preseason that year. Otherwise, I don't think those picks are any better than late lottery tbh
Tony Parker played pro ball against grown men from the ages of 16-19. Josh has played one season against grown men.
He did. Spurs were not and should not pay him the max in 2 years. He gave us a 2 year heads up unlike kawhi and we were able to get 3 1sts out of the deal vs nothing.
There's two things going on here: 1) whether the trade, in and of itself, was good or bad and 2) whether the direction of the team, as signaled by the trade, is good or bad. As to 2), I agree with you that this signals a commitment to tank as opposed to being mediocre, and is the right course of action. I disagree that being a 34-48 team playing as the 10th seed in a meaningless tournament is conducive to any sort of winning culture.
Now as to the trade, I don't understand why everyone thinks that the Hawks are going to be mediocre in 3-5 years. They have a young core: Young is 23, Collins is 24, DJM is 25, Huerter is 23, and De'Andre Hunter is 24). In 5 years, the only one who'll be 30 is DJM, with the rest of the team entering or being in their prime. With this trade, ATL has signaled a commitment to keeping that core together. The Nets (Kyrie and KD), 76ers (Harden), Bulls (DD), and possibly the Raptors (OG) have large question marks about their future. I don't think anyone believes the Hawks will be winning the East, but it's entirely reasonable for them to be a top-10 team for the next half decade. That leaves us with 2 picks in the upper teens to lower 20s. The swap is a toss up, but likely not to be exercised as it should be in the teens to lower 20s. And the Hornets pick is going to convert to second rounders. I don't see how two non-lottery first round picks is good value for Murray.
He was grabbing the bag in 2024. You might choose to see that as wanting out, since the Spurs, smartly, would have no interest in MAXing him out. Their bargaining position would be like Kawhi if they didn’t get ahead of this.
yeah, so many posters seem to ignore this very crucial fact. parker was prepared for the NBA in a way that most fresh out of college players are no where near being.
For clarification- I don't think being a 10th seed in the tournament is conducive for a winning culture either...that was the guy I was replying to who thought that..
Yeah. I don't get the consternation over the trading of him, but the contention over not getting a degree of certainty makes sense . . . and yet, they probably are better off doing what they did over getting Okongwu.
I just feel uneasy, especially with their luck, that none of these picks end up particularly valuable. Of course, even then, they could nail one and get a core piece or package some for one, but in the moment it's difficult to think like that.
what's this i'm reading about the hawks looking to expand this trade even more?
Because there are way more max contracts than second bananas on championship contender teams.
Okongwu is pretty much a waste as long as Poeltl is on the roster as they’re redundant. And if you end up with a center prospect you like better in the future, you move on from OO. Lack of shooting and positional flexibility really limits roster construction.
I like him as a player, but the right move was to stay off him.
Likely targeting another incoming guy where the outgoing salary doesn’t match. Using Gallo’s higher outgoing salary as part of same trade may help them here. That’s why most of these agreed-to moves don’t get executed right away. I guess?
Not even getting OO is a kick in the nuts. Basically gotta pray that it doesn’t work out and that Dejounte dips in a couple years. But I really don’t see that happening. They traded for him with the understanding that he’s going to be there for a long time, and I’m sure this was discussed thoroughly. Of course things can change, but odds are in favor of him staying in ATL for a while.
As I wrote, Dejounte Murray's trade value was never going to be higher than it was yesterday. Still young. Two full seasons under contract. Underpaid for both seasons. Coming off of an All-Star appearance. Drastic improvements in each season he's been in the league. Like I said, Murray could become a better basketball player next season and he still wouldn't be as valuable as he was when the Spurs made the trade. Yesterday was San Antonio's chance to sell high on Dejounte.
I know you posted multiple times that the Spurs would never get unprotected picks from the Hawks. Well, they did ... but the Spurs had to strike while the iron was hot. The iron was hottest yesterday. Even if they tried to draw it out for a few days, the bidding war would have cooled because other teams would have moved on to alternate targets in free agency. The Spurs had a captivated audience of bidding teams and an asset at the absolute peak of his value. That's why, if the Spurs wanted to get max value for Dejounte, they had to accept the deal.
My instant reaction was similar. OO would have been a really nice get.
But ... the more I think about it, the more I agree with the front office's decision. First, no way you trade OO for a unprotected pick. That'd be terrible asset management. Second, OO is the exact type of floor raiser the Spurs shouldn't want. It's why Poeltl is actively being shopped right now. You don't want floor raisers when trying to max out the value of your draft picks. Moreover, while OO is a floor raiser, I don't see him as a significant part of a contending team. So, in reality, he's the worst possible type of player for the Spurs to add: someone who will make it difficult to be really bad but who also won't help them become really good.
Wow. It’s expected but it still surreal when Spurs start gutting the team
bottom line is if the Spurs embrace the tank and get top 3 lottery odds to draft a franchise player in 2023 then this trade makes sense, regardless on how the picks pan out. Ideal scenario is they get Wembanyama and they basically have all the pieces in the pipeline while having cap space and a whole lotta future picks and swaps. Let Wembanyama hit the weight room for 3 years and by 2026 this should be a playoff team again
I know many on this board stated before last season that this last season was the first time in a long time that they had felt excited to watch. I wasn't one of those folks because I expected to be whelmed by mediocrity, and that's precisely what happened.
However, I am now officially ing stoked to watch all these new cats get out there and play, make mistakes, learn, and get better. And do all of it with athleticism we haven't seen in years. Plus with each loss, we move one day closer to having a franchise player to pull us out of the doldrums. Dare I say, maybe even the next NBA megastar.
I’m with you brotha. Obiwan Pop with his Padawan Primo to lead the way. ESPN would be clamoring for their cheat sheets for the names
Gutting is probably too strong, but anyone who likely wants more than they want to pay is probably out the door.
Exactly what I'm fearing
Trading Murray most definitely does not guarantee a tank. There were times where this team looked better with Jones running the point vs Murray. This team was already young and already rebuilding. With so many versatile guards, losing Dejounte won't be noticed as much vs losing someone like Poeltl, who we have no one to replace with. And no Collins is no where near the defensive player Poeltl is.
And adding Sochan gives us size so we may in fact be better now next year vs last year.
IMO this was a terrible move. If the plan was to tank, should've traded Poeltl instead of Murray.
If we do end up tanking then ill give them their props but the spurs in their current state i don't think will be bottom 5. Bottom 10 probably but not bottom 5.
I have to say, I’ve been a Spurs fan since DRob rookie year. And for many fans, that’s a lifetime. We haven’t seen the Spurs rebuild like this. Will know more today and the following days ahead whose names will be dotting silver and black. But it’s fair to say, they will mostly be young and inexperienced. And knowing Pop, they will be playing hard, not like these other “tanking teams”. Not since DRob and Elliott Spurs started two rookies, with 2nd year player Willie. Let’s see.
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