Yeah maybe, they're doing good to Lonnie by giving him the QO, until they feel there's growing interest on Lonnie, and Lonnie requested to get released and just let him go. I mean it's very Spursy.
Not like some ST posters suggested Spurs would just let a good character Lonnie go... not the Spurs
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542696519555489795
One less potential Poeltl suitor. I'm getting the feeling he's going to Toronto.Free agent center Andre Drummond has agreed to a two-year, $6.6M deal with the Chicago Bulls, sources tell ESPN. The second year is a player option.
Can't wait until the deadline to tank. Ship his ass out.
I just want him gone for the tank. If all they got was two firsts and two seconds for Murray guess they'll have to settle for one first for Poetl.
With the way some folks talk about Poeltl or McDermott, you’d think they ed their mom or something. Jesus
Personally I LIKE Poeltl. But on the court his POSITIVE production is actually DETRIMENTAL right now, given the moves we've made, and the fact that we won't resign him.
The team actually wants positive production. They're not tanking.
That would be idiotic, and completely against everything they're doing right now. The smart way to approach this season would be making sure we're in a position that guarantees a high pick, without making it obvious that the team is trying to lose. That is, NOT pulling an OKC style tank. You do that by getting rid of all veterans who contribute, and then you can genuinely play your young guys to the best of their abilities and focus on developing them, without sending them the wrong message and compromising the culture, so to speak. Plus you pick up assets in the process. Win-win.
The team isn't tanking. You think they're tanking but they're not.
I get the rationale— what I don’t get is some of the distasteful comments such as calling McD, “McDip ”. Like bruh, what did this dude do to earn this nickname.
Sup Doug?
https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/mark-cuban-kevin-durant-trade-rumors-nets/
Latest on a Potential Jakob Poeltl Trade
You might want to tap the breaks on any Jakob Poeltl trade talk — if not stop the car entirely and put it in park.
There was the sense when San Antonio traded away Dejounte Murray for Danilo Gallinari (since waived), three first-round picks and a potential pick swap that the club is going for a severe tear-down and rebuild. Teams have come knocking at the Spurs’ door looking to acquire present talent for future reward (first round picks and developmental pieces).
But those teams have found the door isn’t quite as open as they may expect — particularly when it comes to the 7-1 Poeltl, who truly came into his own this year, averaging 13.5 points and 9.3 rebounds in a relatively modest 29.0 minutes per game.
One general manager told Heavy Sports, “The sense we got is that, yes, they’re rebuilding, but they don’t want to burn the thing to the ground and start from there. Poeltl’s the kind of guy that can give them a solid presence inside and make things better from a compe ive standpoint when you’re trying to develop the guys who are going to be out there with him.”
There’s also the fact that Poeltl is 26 and is himself still developing. The Spurs would obviously not want to see him grow into something even more prominent elsewhere.
“We looked into it,” another league exec said. “The sense we got is that they ain’t moving him.”
Which isn’t to say that San Antonio wouldn’t deal Poeltl for the right price. It’s just that said price would have to be quite high.
Teams were interested in Poeltl at this past February’s in-season trade deadline, but found a heavy ask from the Spurs in the range of a rotation player and a first round pick.
Considering Poeltl’s averages improved after the deadline to 14.2 points on 62.7 percent shooting and 9.9 rebounds (in 29.3 minutes), the ask is presumably even higher now.
Three firsts (2 ATL 1 CHA) two unprotected, two seconds, and a FRP pick swap.
You're counting chickens before they hatch calling the Charlotte pick a first.
What seconds are you referring to?
https://www.nba.com/news/hawks-spurs...e-murray-trade
Hawks receive:
• Dejounte Murray
• Jock Landale
Spurs receive:
• Danilo Gallinari
• 2023 first-round pick (via Charlotte from New York, protected)
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick
If Poeltl is down with staying for the rebuild, I’d be okay with it. We’d obviously have to give him a decent raise next year, but the Spurs really are not going after big free agents anyway. If he continues to improve, we could trade him in the middle of his next contract.
People were freaking out about the TOR pick this spring, and it conveyed year one.
I went off baseline’s post, not realizing he pessimistically converted the CHA pick to the two seconds. I added the CHA pick, not realizing what he had done right away.
I think we have seen this story before, so hopefully it means only moving him for the right price, the price is high blah blah blah but this also indicates they see Jak signing a hometown discount on the path to mediocrity.
I wonder what Pop and Brian Wright would fetch on the open market? If it takes two FRPs to unload Russ would that do it for these two?
Some people said that about this year's Toronto pick too.
Maybe it's better to think of it in terms of percentages. I think the Hornets have around a 20% chance of finishing with a top 14 record (putting their pick at #17 or below so it conveys to the Spurs) this year, and around a 30-40% chance of making the playoffs in each of the two following seasons.
80% * 65% * 65% = 33.8%, giving the Spurs a 66.2% chance of actually getting that pick, using these assumed numbers.
Yeah I know the probabilities are not independent because usually rosters stay mostly the same from year to year, and the Hornets might not fight too hard to make a late season push if they are on the cusp if doing so means they lose their pick. But it's at least a ballpark figure.
I should have put this here:
Keeping Poeltl is the only right move. The team isn't tearing it down to the tacks. This is pretty clear and anyone who thought so (including other teams' execs) were completely wrong. The young players need good structure on and off the court. On the court? This means a strong inside defensive presence that Poeltl brings. Developing young wings with a guy with brittle feet and an ancient Giorgiu Dieng as your two bigs is a recipe for disaster.
The truth is firming up that Dejounte was squeezing his way out the door eventually so he could go rain money at skanky Atlanta strip clubs. The team did him and themselves the favor by trading him - for a good haul.
Now, if someone wants to drop a bunch of picks on Poeltl right now, the story changes. Trading him for a single pick right now doesn't make sense.
A first and a rotation player (who can then also get flipped for another first later) for Poeltl seems like the right price to me. If no one is paying that until the deadline keep him and work out an extension.
Hopefully this is just your basic negotiating tactic.
If not, then 1) Murray clearly requested a trade and 2) I'd imagine they're going to offer sheet and sign and trade for Sexton (the Cavaliers and him can say what they want, the reality is there's a logjam with Garland, LeVert, Rubio and their primary ball handlers and they signed Neto for depth), who some in the front office are supposedly fans of.
Poeltl only made sense with Murray. All he does now is risk screwing up their draft odds, which is the last thing they need.
All they have to do is trade him and Richardson, bring in some minimal C and PG for depth and they go from odds on to virtually clinching worst record, which guarantees a top 5 pick.
Re-signing a high floor, low ceiling player at the co (PG) most over saturated position in the league, who'll be going on 28 when his new contract kicks in, for something like 4/$64M, makes no sense.
I definitely don't like using independence in an argument like this since if they miss the playoffs because Cade Cunningham develops into the franchise guy he was projected then Cade is taking that spot the next 2 years too. Same thing if Banchero turns out to be a really high end player. Works in the opposite way of course too, say Tatum blows out his knee and is never the same again. It feels more like a bit better than a coin flip to me that the pick conveys as a first, based pretty much on whether LaMelo Ball develops into a legit star or not.
Where are you getting that from that Murray wanted out?
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