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    No, you can swap whatever picks you have. The Spurs can't just unilaterally change their agreement with Boston to give them LAL's pick instead of their own, but they could agree to swap the worse of the BOS/SAS pick with LAL's pick in 2028. Just look at that mess of a swap for seconds in 2026. Also, as mentioned OKC had the right to swap Boston's 2021 first with Houston's had the Rockets not secured at top-three (or top-four -- I don't remember). They didn't even have the Boston pick when that original trade was made.
    Yeah your right on the first part. OKC has a swap for the MIA 1st not BOS. You can't just swap a first you acquired after the agreement though. I don't think.

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    there was a proposal from an ESPN article that iirc had the spurs sending josh richardson and the charlotte protected first to brooklyn in the deal, where we get 2 unprotected firsts from LAL plus eat westbrook's deal
    ya and that deal is ing stupid from the spurs standpoint, so that dumb espn proposal.

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    Yeah your right on the first part. OKC has a swap for the MIA 1st not BOS. You can't just swap a first you acquired after the agreement though. I don't think.
    Yeah, I read that it was Miami's pick (the Dragic pick from forever ago). I think I remember someone on ESPN saying it was Boston's pick, but they might've just been mistaken. Or I misunderstood them.

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    ya and that deal is ing stupid from the spurs standpoint, so that dumb espn proposal.
    BSPN talking heads have literally been playing with the trade machine for days trying to figure out how to make Kyrie to LA happen.

    One segment a few days ago had Bobby Marks seemingly randomly selecting contracts on other teams to pair up for a Kyrie trade. Marks hit the trade button and it failed. Guy wasn't even doing the math, just poking around hoping a scenario he could reasonably discuss would come up while the host stood there awkwardly waiting for something to happen.

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    Not saying I necessarily like this but the sort of construction I could see being floated is:

    LAL: Irving & McBuckets
    Nets: Nunn and FRP (Charlotte 2023)
    SA: Westbrook, 2 FRP's (LA 2027,2029 unprotected)

    Is an unprotected LAL pick more attractive than that Charlotte pick (Bridges makes it less likely to convey?).

    Would mean getting those 2 LAL unprotected picks at the cost of ~$36m in space, McBuckets (addition by subtraction?) and the Charlotte pick?

    Still a ty return for the Nets though.
    Nope. That’s a net of only 1 FRP, 2 in 1 out. Also, ty return for Nets, as you said.

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    Getting unprotected picks for cap space is rare. We got 2 protected 1st and a couple of seconds for 40+ mil in space last year. OKC got even less for their cap space. 2 unprotected picks is a win. We have to send back salary more than 9 mil I think that is why JRich is included.

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    This isn't about Kyrie nor AD, it's about LeBron. lol He's not known for being patient.

    LeBron is 37 and will be 38 almost this coming season. He can't afford to wait unless he told LA that he's planning to go somewhere else.
    If last year didn't work out even with the injuries, I don't think it's still repairable this coming season esp. with Westbrook. If Lakers chose to stay pat with Westbrook, I don't think Westbrook will care anymore as long as he gets his paycheck.
    Wesbrook is aware that he's the "black goat" on the team.

    Either way, Lakers can't afford to wait as well as they're quite stuck anyways with the situation esp. with no instant asset/s (draft pick/s) to workaround so they'll have to do something sooner or later. A lot can happen in 1 year so there's no guarantee that Kyrie will still choose to sign with the Lakers next offseason if they won't trade for him this offseason.
    LeBron is going wherever Bronny is drafted. He’s already said so. Besides, how much longer is he going to play, anyway? He’s entering his 20th season, and he has a ton of mileage, over 52K minutes in the regular season, with another 11K minutes in the playoffs. Tim’s numbers, for contrast, were 47K and 9K.

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    What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.
    If we get RW, immediate buyout negotiations will commence. He’ll never play a minute for SA.

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    ya and that deal is ing stupid from the spurs standpoint, so that dumb espn proposal.
    A lottery protected first which might never convey and Josh richardson (who might be worth a lottery protected first at best) for two unprotected picks down the line from a team that should legitimately by awful then? You could argue that eating one year of westbrook salary isn’t worth that, but I’d do it

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    Getting unprotected picks for cap space is rare. We got 2 protected 1st and a couple of seconds for 40+ mil in space last year. OKC got even less for their cap space. 2 unprotected picks is a win. We have to send back salary more than 9 mil I think that is why JRich is included.
    In my mind, they don’t have to be completely unprotected, but if you’re sending out JRich, that’s like throwing a FRP into the pot. He can be monetized into one later in the season. Make the Lakers eat McDs contract, or no deal.

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    What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.
    You know brick could be a massive piece on a team making a run. He’s capable of elevating teammates and controlling the pace of a game.

    Flat out refusing to change his game and evolve will always be the barrier. He just can’t get past that ego. I’m not even trying to be ironic in a spurs sense. Dude could have cemented a legacy if only he would have been willing to reapply his talent into a different style.

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    My reading of the situation falls in line with what Mr. Body posted, but who the knows. Tea leaves from the Shams and Wojs and SASs of the world is how I came to the conclusion
    Thanks. I just assumed he wanted out due to Kyrie, not because he wasn't extended. Interesting if true.

    What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.
    Imagine Chip getting Russell's jump shot up in the vicinity of Curry's. Speaking of Westbrook, I always thought if the Spurs traded from him when he was still in OKC, I thought Pop could elevate his game and get him closest to his best potential. I feel it's too late now, but I would have loved to have seen what Pop could have done with him when he was still in his prime. I also think Chip could have helped him become a better shooter if the Spurs got him years ago. He might have been a different/better player had he have come to the Spurs instead of the Rockets, Wizards, Lakers.

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    As always we are ten years to late .

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    Imagine Chip getting Russell's jump shot up in the vicinity of Curry's. Speaking of Westbrook, I always thought if the Spurs traded from him when he was still in OKC, I thought Pop could elevate his game and get him closest to his best potential. I feel it's too late now, but I would have loved to have seen what Pop could have done with him when he was still in his prime. I also think Chip could have helped him become a better shooter if the Spurs got him years ago. He might have been a different/better player had he have come to the Spurs instead of the Rockets, Wizards, Lakers.
    Westbrook's issues are not restricted to his jump shot, his decision making is horrible and he's a turnover machine. The best bet to fix his issues would be a brain transplant. Do the Spurs have the cure for that?

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    5 and 7 years from now?
    All the albatrosses will be off the books and they'll reload with FA's like they always do by then.
    I think those picks are tin, not gold.
    LAL has 6 top 10 picks in the last 10 years. It is gold.

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    Getting unprotected picks for cap space is rare. We got 2 protected 1st and a couple of seconds for 40+ mil in space last year. OKC got even less for their cap space. 2 unprotected picks is a win. We have to send back salary more than 9 mil I think that is why JRich is included.
    It may be rare but the Lebron era in LA is done if they can't swing this trade. Spurs have all the leverage here.

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    LAL has 6 top 10 picks in the last 10 years. It is gold.
    I guess we'll see.

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    LeBron is going wherever Bronny is drafted. He’s already said so. Besides, how much longer is he going to play, anyway? He’s entering his 20th season, and he has a ton of mileage, over 52K minutes in the regular season, with another 11K minutes in the playoffs. Tim’s numbers, for contrast, were 47K and 9K.

    Sounds like hes due a career altering or ending injury.

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    A lottery protected first which might never convey and Josh richardson (who might be worth a lottery protected first at best) for two unprotected picks down the line from a team that should legitimately by awful then? You could argue that eating one year of westbrook salary isn’t worth that, but I’d do it
    You can never figure the Lakers to be terrible in the future.

    They can just buy players and don't need draft picks to be good.

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    You can never figure the Lakers to be terrible in the future.

    They can just buy players and don't need draft picks to be good.
    6 lottery picks in the past 10 years. Had to be said again.

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    6 lottery picks in the past 10 years. Had to be said again.
    Still don't like it. They will reload after Bron and Davis are gone with cap space.

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    Yup all those lottery picks who are now playing elsewhere: Ingram, Russell, Ball, Randle, Hunter (Atl)

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    Sounds like hes due a career altering or ending injury.
    Probably the opposite. In addition to innate/genetic freakishness he has been treating his body like few others have for 15 years. He is not human at this point.

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    You can never figure the Lakers to be terrible in the future.

    They can just buy players and don't need draft picks to be good.
    Lebron will be gone by then. And they were pretty miserable before he got there

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    Lebron will be gone by then. And they were pretty miserable before he got there
    That doesn't mean they will be terrible after he leaves. The Lakers always try to build through free agency and are always a top destination for the top free agents.

    I would not bet on them being bad after Lebron leaves.

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