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    When you swing for the HR, sometimes, you strike out. That’s gonna happen in the future, too.
    Is that a basketball reference?

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    I’d be very happy to see: Primo, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, & Poeltl. Gone should be the days of high draft picks not starting. Plus it gets Primo at PG, what the Spurs indicated they wanted when they drafted him, and Vassell and Johnson at their best positions IMO.

    In regards to the extension I think it’s a good one. Gotta have someone to watch while we look for the next big 3. Johnson hits his 3s and has exciting dunks. Perfect choice over White, Murray, and Walker.

    Not to mention character wise/culture wise he is also better than those three as well.
    Primo at PG and a weak bench would be one of the few things holding that team back from close to a 35-40 win season. Either we tank or we don't. Mediocrity in the time of Wembanyama is idiocy, tbh.

    Gotta get rid of Poeltl, imo. He's worth 5-8 wins in that lineup. Primo playing PG and his TOs are another 5-8 games. So play him.

    We need to be sub 26 wins for the best odds / % opportunity at Wembanyama.

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    Guess Keldon really values the security of getting the contract done right now, because I think he could have done quite a bit better next summer when he's going to be getting a lot of shots this coming year.
    He knows his game is limited af. Better sign up now before his stock tanks.

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    With Sochan having PG skills as a four or five man, Vassell and Keldon could sit at the 2/3 positions...
    I very much hope so because that would mean Sochan is a gamechanger with that ability. It’s unlikely at the moment (since that has not been on his basketball resume) until proven otherwise.

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    …and if you believe the teams with the worst records are teams with the least talent than that means you’re basically ting on the same teams you idolize for “picking a direction” and have drafted such great talent like Chet, Jabari Smith. Whoops. What a dilemma between two ty takes.
    Who's making the argument that the worst teams always have the least amount of talent?

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    Surprising timing and structure (given their timeline, I thought it'd be frontloaded/descending), but good work. This almost can't age poorly, no matter his efficiency likely taking a hit by playing an outstretched on ball role.

    Give it a few years, see how he/they progress and if the progress aligns, retain him long term. If not, cash him in for more draft capital.


    Who's making the argument that the worst teams always have the least amount of talent?
    That and not sure why a fan would prefer to be right over their team, who lacks front line talent, getting the best possible odds at it or why opposing teams who have recently gotten said talent and are mostly headlined by 19-20 year olds are having their talent questioned.

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    Primo at PG and a weak bench would be one of the few things holding that team back from close to a 35-40 win season. Either we tank or we don't. Mediocrity in the time of Wembanyama is idiocy, tbh.

    Gotta get rid of Poeltl, imo. He's worth 5-8 wins in that lineup. Primo playing PG and his TOs are another 5-8 games. So play him.

    We need to be sub 26 wins for the best odds / % opportunity at Wembanyama.
    Primo would just be part of the equation holding the team back since the 3 point shooting would be so bad. Spurs could certainly trade Poeltl. I’m not against that but it’s gotta be for a unprotected first down the road. This team isn’t terrible but I just don’t see them coming through and winning games. And no lineup with this roster is getting them 35-40 wins IMO. They had 34 wins this past season and they definitely got worse.

    For the lottery you really just never know anymore. Bottom 3 teams have the same odds but the 4th worst team’s percent is only 1.5% different and then the 5th worst is 3.5% different. Wembanyama would be great but it will likely take a few years for the Spurs to get their franchise player in the draft again.

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    Primo would just be part of the equation holding the team back since the 3 point shooting would be so bad. Spurs could certainly trade Poeltl. I’m not against that but it’s gotta be for a unprotected first down the road. This team isn’t terrible but I just don’t see them coming through and winning games. And no lineup with this roster is getting them 35-40 wins IMO. They had 34 wins this past season and they definitely got worse.

    For the lottery you really just never know anymore. Bottom 3 teams have the same odds but the 4th worst team’s percent is only 1.5% different and then the 5th worst is 3.5% different. Wembanyama would be great but it will likely take a few years for the Spurs to get their franchise player in the draft again.
    you obviously haven't looked at this draft class. It's not like Wembenyama is the only franchise player in that class

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    you obviously haven't looked at this draft class. It's not like Wembenyama is the only franchise player in that class
    I have. But let’s get you on record. Besides Wembenyama name the players who will be franchise players. Not ones you believe to be but ones you apparently know will be.

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    Primo would just be part of the equation holding the team back since the 3 point shooting would be so bad. Spurs could certainly trade Poeltl. I’m not against that but it’s gotta be for a unprotected first down the road. This team isn’t terrible but I just don’t see them coming through and winning games. And no lineup with this roster is getting them 35-40 wins IMO. They had 34 wins this past season and they definitely got worse.

    For the lottery you really just never know anymore. Bottom 3 teams have the same odds but the 4th worst team’s percent is only 1.5% different and then the 5th worst is 3.5% different. Wembanyama would be great but it will likely take a few years for the Spurs to get their franchise player in the draft again.
    Indeed, but why not shoot for the absolute best odds for a generational talent. I think our defense will be FAR better with Sochan is why I predict that. We would have switchability with him and a mean frontcourt with him and Poeltl together. Plus I think our ball movement will be better. But either way, Poeltl makes us better and reduces that opportunity for the best odds.

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    Indeed, but why not shoot for the absolute best odds for a generational talent. I think our defense will be FAR better with Sochan is why I predict that. We would have switchability with him and a mean frontcourt with him and Poeltl together. Plus I think our ball movement will be better. But either way, Poeltl makes us better and reduces that opportunity for the best odds.
    My only concern is if we end up getting Scoot instead, who I believe would work well with Poeltl, and then Poeltl isn’t here anymore

    I feel like if the right rotations are used we can basically keep everyone and still lose the right amount of games. I’m hoping for Wembamyama too don’t get me wrong but also bracing for the reality that it will likely take a few years to find that right guy if we miss out on him.
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    I have. But let’s get you on record. Besides Wembenyama name the players who will be franchise players. Not ones you believe to be but ones you apparently know will be.
    That’s a stupid question. Nobody knows the future Future Man. Do you listen to Future man? Wembenyama could just suffer injuries so you can‘t even know if he‘s a sure thing. You obviously draft who you believe to be a franchise player.

    GG Jackson and Scoot Henderson definitely look like that. Haven‘t done enough research on the other ones, but making the top 3 should definitely be the goal.

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    That’s a stupid question. Nobody knows the future Future Man. Do you listen to Future man? Wembenyama could just suffer injuries so you can‘t even know if he‘s a sure thing. You obviously draft who you believe to be a franchise player.

    GG Jackson and Scoot Henderson definitely look like that. Haven‘t done enough research on the other ones, but making the top 3 should definitely be the goal.

    Noted. I’m not familiar with GG Jackson but ok. You said it. GG Jackson and Scoot will definitely 100% be franchise players. Not even a chance they bust or are role players.

    Also before we get too far into this debate… what is a franchise player to you? Manu? Parker? Golbert? Bam? Not knocking any of these players but obviously I’d like to get an idea of what you see as a franchise player and what you don’t see as a franchise player.
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    Noted. I’m not familiar with GG Jackson but ok. You said it. GG Jackson and Scoot will definitely 100% be franchise players. Not even a chance they bust or are role players.

    Also before we get too far into this debate… what is a franchise player to you? Manu? Parker? Golbert? Bam? Not knocking any of these players but obviously I’d like to get an idea of what you see as a franchise player and what you don’t see as a franchise player.
    see I didn‘t say that. We‘re on a basketball forum, you should know what a franchise player is

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    see I didn‘t say that. We‘re on a basketball forum, you should know what a franchise player is
    Whoops. Looks like you added that first paragraph before I got back and then replied.

    I’m glad we both agree you can’t predict the future. It does look like we disagree on the likelihood on how long it will take to find a franchise player.

    Let’s just hope I’m wrong and the Spurs find their guy quickly.

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    awesome our centerpiece is an undersized 4 with an erratic shot and no D

    ....

    or a plodding 3 with an erratic shot and no D

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    awesome our centerpiece is an undersized 4 with an erratic shot and no D

    ....

    or a plodding 3 with an erratic shot and no D
    Only in professional sports can plodding and erratic earn a person 80M. if those two words described my job performance I'd be fired.

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    Yea n erratic describes one of the top performers in your field

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    Nice! I hope the Spurs keep him around.

    My only issue with that contract is that it’s far too tradeable.

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    Guess Keldon really values the security of getting the contract done right now, because I think he could have done quite a bit better next summer when he's going to be getting a lot of shots this coming year.
    'Bird in the hand'...I reckon.

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    'Bird in the hand'...I reckon.
    Better for the Spurs and not have Keldon come in and play for the his new contract, and not necessarily within team play.

    Now everybody can play within the system. Yet I expect Keldon to play as leader, less mistakes, putting the team on his shoulders at times, and watch what he says and post out there.

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    When you consider that they are getting not one, not two, but three KJ's for that price, it's a freaking steal of a price to pay.

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